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post #31 of 39
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Originally Posted by Ashirgo View Post
So, we can assume then, that if "these people" still hear a vast improvement (despite that 18 inch length of iron rod), the whole re-cabling thing is not really serious... And we have a blind and repetitive evidence - that they insist on hearing the difference even though there should be very little to none - as there is still cr..?.appy steel running over their heads!
Maybe you're not serious, you need to try for yourself. Before I made my cable I read some scientific reviews about pro cable's length etc...

When I did my cable I realize the differences, it takes about 2 hours burn in, and the cable is ready.
post #32 of 39
It's an endless debate man (Ashtray9). The reality is that cables make next to no difference as long as they are built properly. Save that 18awg cryo treated shaked and baked and snaked up cable for the guys with too much money.
post #33 of 39
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Originally Posted by Acix View Post
Maybe you're not serious, you need to try for yourself. Before I made my cable I read some scientific reviews about pro cable's length etc...

When I did my cable I realize the differences, it takes about 2 hours burn in, and the cable is ready.
Yes, the differences, and it is essentially the whole problem, that some people (in this case you) report something that they should not be able to. Then others come forth and explain it with placebo effect and other such iterations of reasoning. But I have not seen even a single individual converted in this way, once he believed in cables. Just as if it were too late.

So, you hear the difference and are happy, I save money and am happy. I see no reason why we should try to destroy each other dreams, or burst that bubble of safety in which we appreciate what we have.
post #34 of 39
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Originally Posted by Ashirgo View Post
Yes, the differences, and it is essentially the whole problem, that some people (in this case you) report something that they should not be able to. Then others come forth and explain it with placebo effect and other such iterations of reasoning. But I have not seen even a single individual converted in this way, once he believed in cables. Just as if it were too late.

So, you hear the difference and are happy, I save money and am happy. I see no reason why we should try to destroy each other dreams, or burst that bubble of safety in which we appreciate what we have.
First you need to try for yourself, and to gain your own experience.
Second, the cable cost me only $15.... 20 minutes work and 10 minutes of planing.
post #35 of 39
Thread Starter 
I will try it out and see for myself as I don't plan to spend much money an a cable either. I know for a fact a re-cable made a difference on my Senns so time will tell. I must admit i would feel more confident about the AKG's if I was going to avoid the steel through the headband but there is only one way to find out.
post #36 of 39
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Originally Posted by Joelby View Post
It's an endless debate man (Ashtray9). The reality is that cables make next to no difference as long as they are built properly. Save that 18awg cryo treated shaked and baked and snaked up cable for the guys with too much money.
Almost quotable sig material.

Ever heard of seller's remorse? This is when that guy tries to re-sell it after not noticing differences.

Edit:
As far as using the steel bands with or without a better cable not making a difference, you assume that the steel band cannot transmit a better quality signal. If the incoming signal is better, the output of the bands will be better.
post #37 of 39
Dual or single entry is still something I'm concerned about, so if anyone has any more thoughts or experiences, I'd be glad to hear about them.

I wouldn't be concerned about the "delay" of the audio signal reaching one ear after the other because there is an extra foot or so of cable between the ears. That seems ridiculous to me. But there are two reasons why single entry headphones raise slight red flags in my mind:

The first is that, in general, speaker cables of all kinds should be kept about even length. I've heard a rough figure that the cables should be within 50% of each others length or so. But I would imagine with higher fidelity and more precise application, you'd want them closer in length. I had the idea it was more about electrical factors and any interference that might be introduced on one channel and not the other. (Balancing interference and magnetic waves between wires and channels seems to be important, since it is the reason so many better cables are braided, so the different elements are equally exposed).

The second reason I worry about single entry is that we're paying good money for a higher quality cable than the manufacturer provided to get to the left ear. But for some reason, we trust the manufacturer cable to get to the right ear? I don't know if this is true or not, but one post somewhere said the k702 just has steel rods with all the problems introduced from low grade conductivity? I worry that upgrading the cable for single entry headphones would be like going all out on a top of the line box-spring but still using a dumpy mattress that's 30 years old. Well, something like that.

Does anyone, k702 owners or not, have any thoughts on dual versus single entry?

And do any k702 owners have experience modding them to be dual entry and if there were any sonic differences?
post #38 of 39
^
Think of going this route too and with the same questions.
post #39 of 39
To be short : NO
I listened to a HD600 with standard cable, and a HD600 with a Cardas cable
imo no difference between the two.
Ok . it's a very nice cable, looks good , but very expensive
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