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post #12871 of 18459
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post




Weird. There was a big difference to me between the two LCD-2s I have.  Maybe it was something else like damping that had changed, but there was a clear difference. My first pair was fairly early.

 

Tyll have you measured both pairs to see if there were any changes in the measurements. That would be interesting
 

 

post #12872 of 18459
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post


Weird. There was a big difference to me between the two LCD-2s I have.  

 



In what way?

 

post #12873 of 18459

Measurements are here for the old ones, and here for the new ones.

 

The new ones sounded brighter. I think more balanced.  I like them a lot.

post #12874 of 18459
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

Measurements are here for the old ones, and here for the new ones.

 

The new ones sounded brighter. I think more balanced.  I like them a lot.


Thanks Tyll. Those are very clear differences.

 

post #12875 of 18459

Sharose can you elaborate.

post #12876 of 18459
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

Sharose can you elaborate.



Hey Frank. The frequency response graph has significant changes. The new one is flatter throughout, from the bass to the treble. Smaller 1KHz peak, more SPL in the lower treble and less in the mid treble (a good change), as well as more bass in the lowest octave. The isolation, impedance and power figures are also a little different.


Edited by Shahrose - 6/30/11 at 9:49am
post #12877 of 18459
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Originally Posted by Icenine2 View Post

According to those who have listened w/the new pads there is a marked difference.

 


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Originally Posted by Hero Kid View Post




There was a blog post on their own website that supported the notion of no change in sonics from the pas chance but it seems to have been lost in the transition to the new website. Someone should email Audeze about that and see if they can put it back up.
 

 



 

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Originally Posted by kwkarth View Post





To my ears, no, there is no substantial difference at all in sonics.


 

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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

Measurements are here for the old ones, and here for the new ones.

 

The new ones sounded brighter. I think more balanced.  I like them a lot.


sorry guys I think I missed something when were the earpads changed? 

 

post #12878 of 18459

These new reports of the LCD2s becoming more balanced kind of complicates my upcoming HE-500 purchase.  Can we get some more confirmation on this?  

 

Tyll--you seemed to like the HE-500 tonal balance in that video--do you still feel the LCD2 top end is recessed? (relatively?)

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

 

Tyll--you seemed to like the HE-500 tonal balance in that video--do you still feel the LCD2 top end is recessed? (relatively?)



I asked him this before; he likes the new LCD-2 more than the HE-500 now. Also says the new ones aren't as recessed in the treble. Correct me if I'm wrong Tyll.


Edited by Shahrose - 6/30/11 at 4:45pm
post #12880 of 18459

I think the lcd2 is recessed in the treble in comparison to the he500. I think the he500 does non vocal music better than the lcd2. It is a little more balanced with a larger soundstage. The lcd2 dominate on vocal music. The lcd2 seem to be more emotional/musical and the he500 have the better prat and highend.

post #12881 of 18459

 

I received a brand new loaner pair of the LCD-2 this morning ('new' pads version [see page 861 of this thread] with freq. response measured on 03/2011, but not the version with the updated drivers) and had a quick listen. Straight out of the box, music sounded great with them and out of curiosity I compared them with the Sennheiser HD-650 that I have. Whilst the LCD-2 seemed technically superior, my gut feeling was that they weren’t worth the $950 more to upgrade from the HD 650.

 

***

 

Fast forward a few hours to nearer the end of my day, and I’m listening to music files (320 kbps and Apple Lossless audio files) sent to the LCD-2 via iTunes to the Lavry DA 10 DAC/Amp and having a wonderful time. 

 

Overall, to me the LCD-2 are absolutely fantastic headphones, the most technically adept I've yet heard. Here are some more specifics about them, the way I see it. 

 

Packaging, looks, and physical feel of the LCD-2

 

The packaging is very impressive. The wooden LCD-2 box is beautifully shiny and smells very new and quite expensive, though I felt the box smell could be less pungent. But I guess that way the smell will last for a long time. From memory it doesn’t seem to be as refined as the Sony R10 packaging, but the LCD-2 packing is still very elegant. It was fun to unravel the cling-film that was covered the pads of the brand new headphone; doing so also gave me a sense of the custom-manufactured nature and care put into creating the LCD-2.

 

The LCD-2 are amongst the heaviest headphones I’ve worn and I’m definitely aware that they’re on my head. But I find that to be attribute of them to be grounding, as I enjoy being present in this moment, here and now in my body. At this time of writing I’ve had the LCD-2 on for over 2 hours, and though I’m aware of them on my head, probably because I’m thinking about them, wearing them is quite a pleasant sensation.

 

The stock LCD-2 cable is stiffer than the stock Sennheiser HD 6x0 series cables I have, and I sometimes feel the stiffness of the LCD-2 cable if I move, but again, it adds to the LCD-2 gearing me towards physical grounding, which is probably important to those who want to ably stay in the present moment. The weight of the LCD-2 is probably enough grounding for me when listening though, so I’d probably prefer another more flexible cable, but the stock cable is most satisfactory.

 

Aesthetically, the LCD-2 are larger headphones than I thought they might have been from looking at pictures of them online. On me they seem to look like they mean business, and other than I just did a few seconds ago, I probably won’t look in the mirror again to check how they look on me (well maybe I will ;-), but the important thing to me is that I'm sitting here now wearing the LCD-2 and my cheeks are gently tingling from the smiling and joy I’m experiencing. smile.gif

 

Clarity, timbre, and sound signature

 

The LCD-2 excellently delineate musical lines. Their rhythmic articulation and impact is the best I’ve heard from any headphone so far – great PRaT, as we say – which has led to me hearing many details with them that I’ve never heard before in recordings I’ve listened to for years. The LCD-2 have also revealed distortion on recordings more clearly than I’ve yet heard, but not unpleasantly so, just in a way that often makes me think, ‘oh, interesting – so that’s how that recording actually sounds…’ smile.gif

 

The timbre they reveal sounds and feels very natural to me. When I'm listening to a live performance recording with the LCD-2 and aware that I’m hearing music with headphones, the sound of the instruments is still very realistic, like a smaller version of my favourite musicians playing inside my head. smile.gif

 

On a related side-note, I have played the drum set for many years and enjoy hearing a well-tuned and played drum set acoustically. When listening to recordings of drums on headphones, I’ve always been disappointed by the sound and feel of drums, but the LCD-2 has really changed that for me. Right now as I write this, I am experiencing the most realistic experience I've had yet of hearing live drums via headphones, and for that I am very grateful. Thank you Audez’e; truly well done!

 

Listening to some acoustic jazz, such as ‘So What’ from Miles Davis’ Kind of Blue album, the LCD-2 come across as ever-so-slightly bassier than natural, so for listening to acoustic music, a more neutral headphone could be more preferable. Whilst I have enjoyed the neutral frequency balance of the Sennheiser HD 600 when listening to acoustic/jazz recordings, I’ve never experienced recordings of those styles as viscerally as I have with the LCD-2, and to do so in a way that every note is clearly defined, even on a musically dense recording e.g. one of Miles Davis’ really large ensembles, is an astonishing experience for me.

 

(On a note of neutrality, I’m due to receive a loaner pair of the HiFiMAN HE-500 this weekend, so it’ll be interesting to hear them, especially next to the LCD-2).

 

The soundstage of the LCD-2 is definitely narrower than the HD 650, which has a very wide soundstage. But the LCD-2 soundstage is very enjoyable to me.

 

Bass, mids, and treble

 

Bass wise, the LCD-2 are of great quality. To me, everything is very clear in the bass region when listening with them and it’s very visceral. As I said, I find them ever-so-slightly bassier than natural, but for Electronic music, such as Squarepusher’s ‘Do You Know Squarepusher,’ the sound is superlative and the lower end of the sonic spectrum sounds very satisfying. The same seems to be true for rock recordings, too. It feels real. Wow!

 

The mids are very clear and sound quite natural to me. Based on my experience of hearing live music and my experience as a performing musician (hundreds of gigs done). In response to a post I read on these forums, I tried boosting the LCD-2 mids at around 3 + 4 K by almost 3 dB, and definitely find that makes them more forward and engaging sounding. 'Un-boosted,' I can see why they can be described as lacking in ‘bite,’ but I wouldn’t call the LCD-2 hollow-sounding. I'm finding it very enjoyably un-fatiguing, and that for me is a real plus point.

 

I’ve read about the LCD-2 being described having a dark sound signature, which I would agree with, and though they are far from (from memory) the treble extension and airiness of both the Sennheiser HD800 and Beyerdynamic T1, both of which I found very fatiguing after a short while of listening, the LCD-2 extend nicely and sufficiently in the treble for me. Though I could want them to extend further, I can clearly hear quite ample treble detail in a way that is non-fatiguing as they are. I like that muchly, as I want my hearing to remain healthy.

 

In closing

 

Regardless any of the technicalites and subtleties I’ve described, I’ve been listening to music with the LCD-2 constantly whilst typing these notes, which I guess have morphed into a review, and frequently laughing with enjoyment at the wonderful musical experience I’ve been having and still am.

 

The LCD-2 are a lot of fun, and I definitely recommend them to anyone who wants to further their capacity to experience the joy that can be found when listening to music. o2smile.gif


Edited by Windsor - 7/4/11 at 12:42am
post #12882 of 18459

Do any of you know when the newest LCD-2 (with the updated pads) were released?

post #12883 of 18459

THey told me the pad change was in December.

post #12884 of 18459
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Originally Posted by Tyll Hertsens View Post

Measurements are here for the old ones, and here for the new ones.

 

The new ones sounded brighter. I think more balanced.  I like them a lot.


Though I am crap at reading graphs I just looked at both of mine and they eco your findings Tyll, likewise I agree completely with your findings on the second pair, they again eco my findings!
post #12885 of 18459

I think "echo" is the word you're after. wink.gif


Edited by pp312 - 7/1/11 at 2:14am
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