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post #6046 of 10873

@Navyblue:

This one: http://www.head-fi.org/t/452404/just-listened-to-some-fostex-t50rps-today-wow/4485#post_7867505

I'm pretty sure I saw another one where it was double sided taped on two sides of the driver but either I'm crazy or I just can't find it xP

 

Left naked I am assuming the sound will become harsh.

post #6047 of 10873

While the suspension headband is comfortable for the top of my head, I notice the fit of the cups around my ears changed pretty dramatically for the worse (I use, and like, the stock pads. may differ with different pads). Also, considering the Fostex headband is pretty heavy, the suspension headband makes the strap swing around like crazy with the slightest headbanging so I'd actually recommend using pads lol.

post #6048 of 10873
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I did not try any pads in particular. I just tried random material I had around my apartment to use as padding, including a double layer of my unused stock T50RP pads (which actually ended up being pretty darn comfortable).

 

I'm not sure the suspension headband is any more or less complicated that placing other padding on the headband. You fold a piece of paper, punch holes in it, and use hair ties to keep it on. It's about as easy as it gets. I took mine one step further and put duct tape all over the folded paper plus the old earpad I taped on the underside of the suspension headband.

 

Understandably, placing the earpads on the underside of the suspension headband requires a spare set of earpads. This normally isn't an issue, as most people buy alternative earpads for the T50RP anyway. For those people, the unused T50RP earpads work great as padding for the suspension headband. If someone DOESN'T have a spare set of earpads or something, then, yes, this would be more expensive. For the majority of folks, though, it will be more or less free.

 

Have you even tried the suspension headband + earpad as underside padding mod? I am not exaggerating when I say I can barely notice them on my head. This is the first time I've ever been able to say that about a pair of headphones.

 

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I've wanted to try it, but I'm honestly too lazy to take my 840 pads off (they're completely taped on). I am also afraid of ripping the pads, as I've heard they are hard to get on. I may try it out, but my spare pads ultimately have another purpose in the near future...
 

 

I have not tried the suspension mods, yours or LFF's first off because I don't like the way it looks, and some folks said the LFF version wasn't much better than stock in terms of comfort. If the goal is to make the Fostex more comfortable, I felt there was a better solution. Like many of us I used something I had laying around. My HD280's were sitting next to me and that little"duh" lightbulb went off in my head. Took the pad off the Senns, put it on the Fostex with a little black electrical to close the gap on top and have been very happy with the comfort and looks. It may not be as comfy as your suspension mod, but it does the job for me. Pictures and details in the T50RP WIKI. Ardillas HD580 stick on may be better.
 

 

post #6049 of 10873
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@Navyblue:

This one: http://www.head-fi.org/t/452404/just-listened-to-some-fostex-t50rps-today-wow/4485#post_7867505

I'm pretty sure I saw another one where it was double sided taped on two sides of the driver but either I'm crazy or I just can't find it xP



Yeah, that happens, a lot. tongue.gif

 

Thanks. smily_headphones1.gif

post #6050 of 10873
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@Navyblue:

This one: http://www.head-fi.org/t/452404/just-listened-to-some-fostex-t50rps-today-wow/4485#post_7867505

I'm pretty sure I saw another one where it was double sided taped on two sides of the driver but either I'm crazy or I just can't find it xP

 

Left naked I am assuming the sound will become harsh.



It doesn't become "harsh".  But it has a huge effect on the bass which requires a lot of tuning; initially it puts the bass "out of control".  IMHO, removing it helps improve the transient response, but there is a tradeoff in having flattest frequency response.  I have not yet tried a serious mod with the felt on, my initial experiments and measurements just with cotton didn't have a very good result, but I know people have done good stuff and I'll check out some of the fully reversible mods later.


Edited by mrspeakers - 2/1/12 at 7:14am
post #6051 of 10873

In response to those saying they could not get good dynamics out of their T50RPs, my modded T50RPs are quite dynamic sounding. I've posted all of the mods I've done before if anyone wants to check them out (they are on the wiki as well).

post #6052 of 10873

Can't really understand why people would go for suspension if adequate padding is available. Here's another pick of my set

 

http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/pro-audio-headphones/hd-215-ii/headband-padding-hd215.html

and this works just as well.  

http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/pro-audio-headphones/hd-205-ii

 

ref previous post

http://www.head-fi.org/t/452404/just-listened-to-some-fostex-t50rps-today-wow/5895#post_8080404

 

A piece of soft foam, some black fabric and double sided tape will also do nicely, I guess 

 

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Padded stock headband versus suspension strap: has anyone compared the two?


 


Edited by ardilla - 2/1/12 at 2:10pm
post #6053 of 10873

Just tried the T50RP straight out of the Squeezebox Touch. Quite not half-bad at all!!

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Originally Posted by satwilson View Post

I have not tried the suspension mods, yours or LFF's first off because I don't like the way it looks, and some folks said the LFF version wasn't much better than stock in terms of comfort. If the goal is to make the Fostex more comfortable, I felt there was a better solution. Like many of us I used something I had laying around. My HD280's were sitting next to me and that little"duh" lightbulb went off in my head. Took the pad off the Senns, put it on the Fostex with a little black electrical to close the gap on top and have been very happy with the comfort and looks. It may not be as comfy as your suspension mod, but it does the job for me. Pictures and details in the T50RP WIKI. Ardillas HD580 stick on may be better.
 

 

 

Here is what my suspension band SHOULD look like. The DIY guide was on how make the basic support system out of relatively inexpensive materials and then use something to cover them up. I have had dozens of people try this out with my personal pair and not one of them complained about the looks nor the lack of comfort. I did try the Senn pad and many other types of mods to improve comfort and the suspension mod beats them all by a mile. Also notice that the rods have been pulled nearly all the way down and that the headband has been bent a little to provide better support. 

 

Just how comfortable is the suspension mod? I have two co-workers who have implemented the suspension headband and the Paradox is the only headphone they can wear all day (7 hours+) and not feel the need to remove it or feel the slightest bit of inconvenience.

 

If the suspension headband looks bad or doesn't improve on comfort, it's because it was not properly implemented but regardless of how it looks...comfort will be the best IMHO.

 

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EDIT: High res pic here.
 

 


Edited by LFF - 2/1/12 at 7:50am
post #6055 of 10873
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Originally Posted by ardilla View Post

Can't really understand why people would go for suspension if adequate padding is available. Here's another pick of my set

 

http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/pro-audio-headphones/hd-215-ii/headband-padding-hd215.html

and this works just as well.  

http://spares.sennheiser.co.uk/pro-audio-headphones/hd-205-ii


 


 

Btw, I have the Sennheiser HD215. When used often, those fake leather would peel off, which is fine. But if you are like me left it alone and not touch it, it would melt and turn gooey over time, the gooey stuffs sticks all over the place and is quite nasty. For that reason my HD215 is unusable now. I managed to get rid of the gooey stuffs on the headband, but not (yet) the earpad. Now I avoid headphones made with that kind of material.

post #6056 of 10873
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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post



It doesn't become "harsh".  But it has a huge effect on the bass which requires a lot of tuning; initially it puts the bass "out of control".  IMHO, removing it helps improve the transient response, but there is a tradeoff in having flattest frequency response.  I have not yet tried a serious mod with the felt on, my initial experiments and measurements just with cotton didn't have a very good result, but I know people have done good stuff and I'll check out some of the fully reversible mods later.



Thanks for the info. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Can you elaborate out of control? I assume it gets boomy and flabby? And can't be fixed by sealing all the vents and cup seam?

post #6057 of 10873

Reckon I might chime in on the current state of my mods... nothing revolutionary as of yet.  I tried a murderously painstaking evolution of twinster's cardboard cookies over the drivers, using honeycombed layers of (nearest to farthest from the driver:) extra wide drinking straw rings, drinking straw rings, then stir straw rings, then a cardboard cookie on top of that all to try to scatter sound waves.  Layering was by reasoning of less dense -> more dense as you move away from the driver.  Sadly I didn't hear much of a difference, though I got a great superglue high from teasing all those little rings together one by one.  With the cookie alone on top of the driver I feel like I can sometimes hear a difference compared to stock felt only but my untrained ears can never quite pinpoint what it is or whether it's better or worse.  Likely the straw bores were too wide to really do anything to passing sound waves.

 

195

 

Maybe I can sell them as earrings on etsy.

 

So right now I have this (boring setup) going for me:

 

-Silverstone on the whole back and walls of the earcup

-Vent felt intact, all but 4mm of vents covered with electrical tape and then silverstone

-Driverside baffles filled flat with plasticine, then whole driverside surface covered with silverstone sans driver and wiring

-Stock felt left on and unobstructed

-EQ vent unobstructed both sides

-Paxmate on earside baffle save for driver, screwholes, EQ vent

-840 pads

 

Main problem is a peakiness in the lower trebles, 5-6khz maybe, that's masking everything around it and making everything sound very sterile and stabby.  A few noticeable resonances in the mids as well.  I've tried extending the highs above it with reflex dots and tried killing more resonances with cotton batting/drier sheeting but they just seem to emphasize the treble peaks already there.  I'm tempted to kill the stock driver felt and see where that leads me but I keep reminding myself of the purported reversibility of LFF's Paradox: if he didn't need to, why should I?  So I'm trying to come up with something else innovatively reversible to try out, but besides tinkering with more driver coverings and cotton fill ratios I'm out of ideas for the moment.


Edited by iowercase - 2/1/12 at 8:43am
post #6058 of 10873

Dude, LFF, love the idea of putting a mic there! Maybe I should try next time I need one for gaming!

 

I gotta say, many many factors come into play in terms of comfort for suspension straps. I personally don't find them as comfortable for extended wear with the stock pads but, once again, it can be a whole different story with different pads. But with lack of proper elastic bands, I actually just punched a hole into a piece of relatively padded cloth and fastened it on with the screws already on the headband. I'd say with elastics (as I tested previously) it was a bit more comfortable, but I couldn't get the right size to prevent the wobbling of the original (heavy) headband whenever I move my head.

 

Bending the original headband may have helped, I should try next time I go for suspension band.

 

 

post #6059 of 10873
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Originally Posted by kalbee View Post

Dude, LFF, love the idea of putting a mic there! Maybe I should try next time I need one for gaming!

 

I gotta say, many many factors come into play in terms of comfort for suspension straps. I personally don't find them as comfortable for extended wear with the stock pads but, once again, it can be a whole different story with different pads. But with lack of proper elastic bands, I actually just punched a hole into a piece of relatively padded cloth and fastened it on with the screws already on the headband. I'd say with elastics (as I tested previously) it was a bit more comfortable, but I couldn't get the right size to prevent the wobbling of the original (heavy) headband whenever I move my head.

 

Bending the original headband may have helped, I should try next time I go for suspension band.

 

 

Thanks!

 

I really love my Paradox for gaming!


IMHO, the stock pads provide little in terms of comfort. The pads I have been using on my Paradox since the very beginning are the Fischer Audio FA-003 pads and I have tried several others with all but one being epic fails for my mods. Also keep in mind that I do use elastic headbands...not rope or string. The elastic suspension is what provides a large portion of the comfort as the weight is evenly distributed across your head.
 

 

post #6060 of 10873
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Originally Posted by iowercase View Post

Reckon I might chime in on the current state of my mods... nothing revolutionary as of yet.  I tried a murderously painstaking evolution of twinster's cardboard cookies over the drivers, using honeycombed layers of (nearest to farthest from the driver:) extra wide drinking straw rings, drinking straw rings, then stir straw rings, then a cardboard cookie on top of that all to try to scatter sound waves.  Layering was by reasoning of less dense -> more dense as you move away from the driver.  Sadly I didn't hear much of a difference, though I got a great superglue high from teasing all those little rings together one by one.  With the cookie alone on top of the driver I feel like I can sometimes hear a difference compared to stock felt only but my untrained ears can never quite pinpoint what it is or whether it's better or worse.  Likely the straw bores were too wide to really do anything to passing sound waves.

 

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The "cookies" that you made, the material is very thin, it looks like it is going to absorb only the highest of highs, and may be diffuse some lower trebles (diffusion is pretty much meaningless in enclosure this small), and would likely do nothing for other frequencies. No offence, but I suggest you do some reading on acoustic treatment rather than keep shooting in the dark.

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