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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post

 

I am very surprised that these cans are not being raved about on head-fi.

 

They're not expensive enough, it's never gonna work[:trofub]


Edited by leeperry - 10/9/10 at 5:01am
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Just a quick ammendment regarding my previous review of the T50s.  I have been exclusively listening to these cans and when switching straight back to the HD650s, I find the HD650s, in fact, is less detailed and less resolving.

 

The only advantages the HD650 hold are better soundstage, imaging, "openess" (open back cup advantage), and less cup resonance.

 

The T50s have more closed in sound (semi-closed disadvantage), smaller headstage and imaging, cup resonance that also slightly restricts dynamics.  The slight dynamic restrictions of the T50 only occurs at higher volumes, when the increasing diapragm vibrations start to wreak havoc with the cup dampening.  At lower volumes I don't hear dynamic restrictions.

 

T50 has better resolving capabilities thoughout the entire frequency range, most notable in the upper mid and trebles.  The T50 has better treble extension, detail and seperation which gives an illusion of more presence due to sharper transients.  The bass has better presence, definition and extension - it goes lower and is more detailed and rhythmic with greater impact.  Overall sounding smoother, more natural and "analogue" sounding, with better resolving capabilities - its like standard defintion (HD650) vs blu-ray (T50)

 

It was a poor showing for the HD650s, being so far behind in very important benchmarks, most of which relate to the superior agility of the T50s ortho driver - its starting to become an embarrasment for the HD650 (K701 also in the same regard - but they are tonally different and is spared a direct comparison with the T50) and for all their legendary greatness, which I do subscribe to, it is increasingly looking like there is no place in my collection for them.

 

The cheapest upgrade of the HD650 is the T50, it will only cost the extra wallet space for the extra cash that will end up being there.


Edited by SP Wild - 10/9/10 at 8:59am
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My real issue with the T50RP has to be the cable connection to the headphones.  Its kind of inconsistent on my pair, and leads to a large number of the problems that I am having with them stock.

I get channel imbalance and some static that goes away if I slightly rotate the connector.

Compared to my HD650 it really does sound great, and the bass is a very different animal.  It really does sound much better than the HD650 could ever hope to do in that regard.

Aside from the lack of imaging and poor soundstage, they really are quite good.  I can't wait to hear how they sound fully modified.

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I've been using the T50RPs as my main headphones for nearly a year now. Although I have a good sized budget to upgrade my system I keep having moments listening to my current system that makes me wonder how much money I will have to spend on new amp/dac and cans to make a noticeable improvement without losing any of the good qualities of my current system...

 

Paired with the E-MU 0404usb they sound amazing. The E-MU is said to be a bit on the bright side and also to be very revealing. Paired with the Fostex the mids and highs are just right to my ears. Highs are crisp without being fatiguing. And the quality that really stands out, and can't be measured by any electronic testing is how realistic they sound for voices and acoustic instruments. Now I haven't heard any of the high end headphones but compared to the Audio-technica, Yamaha, and Koss headphones I have it is an obvious improvement. This is what also makes them great for movies in my opinion.

 

The only two mods I have made have been to improve the bass. The first I discovered accidentally when I was pressing in on one of the cups and noticed immediate improved bass. This made me realize the cups were not sealing well on my head. To solve this I took the headband and squashed it quite firmly with my hands until it put a bit of a sharper bend at the top. Now not only has the bass improved, but they are more comfortable - fitting like a good pair of leather gloves. I really have no comfort issues with these headphones at all.

 

Concerning the second mod to improve the bass; I primarily use the J. Media Jukebox Version 12 for my music player because I like some of it's library features such as the ability to make smart lists. One of the other nice features is it has built in DSP effects, one of which is Virtual Subwoofers. You chose the size of your desired subwoofer: 6, 8, 10, 12, or 15 inches. What it seems to do is not only increase the level of the bass (as you could already do with just an equalizer) but it also adds more impact to the bass notes ("Simulates the addition of an extra subwoofer, enhancing low frequency response and 'thump'"). With the choice of the 6 or 8 inch virtual subwoofer the T50RPs put out nice but not over-blown amount of bass. I don't doubt though that it could still be better with various mods people have done. Other than that, I don't need to use any EQ with the T50RPs.

 

I really do not hear any plastic shell resonance with them. I used to have a pair of Audio-tecnica at-a55s and could plainly hear plastic cup resonance with them so I think I would recognize it if these had that problem. Well actually if I crank them up I can hear it but at my normal volume, no.

 

I have had the problem mentioned by others where about once a month, one side will start dropping off and I have to give a little turn to the cord connection on the cup to get it back to firing on both pistons.

 

The soundstage is definitely of the closed, in your head variety as opposed to sounding like it is outside such as portrayed by the Audio-technica AD700s. However, if I close my eyes and pay attention to all the details of the various parts then the separation, placing and depth is good - while the width of the soundstage is as wide as my mind chooses to imagine it wink.gif

 

So for less then Three Hundred Smackers for an entire system including Headphones Amp/Preamp and DAC, the Fostex T50RP plus E-mu 0404usb it is a great package to say the least.

 

 

 

post #245 of 10878

^^ I don't think the EMU is is enough to drive 100% out of the T50. Try to get some hps amp, and you'll hear the differences.

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I have the Fischer Audio DBA-02's transparency, extended/detailed highs and pristine/faithful bass and the AKG K501's soundstage to guide me in tuning my already great tweaked version of the T50RP. Among the three, I like the T50RP most on the midrange - it's better than the DBA-02s and K501 with the T50RP having more presence|body on vocals.

If I can't tune the bass to my liking, I'm going LeakyPants biggrin.gif

post #247 of 10878

Ditto.

 

I experience the exact same problem with mine. Easy to fix (just rotate the connector), but still a hassle.
 

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Originally Posted by Epoch View Post

My real issue with the T50RP has to be the cable connection to the headphones.  Its kind of inconsistent on my pair, and leads to a large number of the problems that I am having with them stock.

I get channel imbalance and some static that goes away if I slightly rotate the connector.

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Put your T50RP on your head, and speak loud while the music in NOT playing... You should really hear this nasty echo in the cups.

 

I did mod them following the basic principles explained in the long ortho thread. But slightly. Just did apply a full coating of bitumen fixed with tiny balls of blu tack in the cups, and a layer of acoustic dampening material on it used in studios. Nothing else.

 

I can't believe the improvement in imaging, separation of instruments and clarity I got from that simple mod. Oh, and the echo is completely gone now. I will take some pictures of course, and listen to them for a while in order to get used to those "new" headphones.
 

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Originally Posted by runswithaliens View Post

 

I really do not hear any plastic shell resonance with them. I used to have a pair of Audio-tecnica at-a55s and could plainly hear plastic cup resonance with them so I think I would recognize it if these had that problem. Well actually if I crank them up I can hear it but at my normal volume, no.



 


Edited by shamu144 - 10/10/10 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by shamu144 View Post


Put your T50RP on your head, and speak loud while the music in NOT playing... You should really hear this nasty echo in the cups.

 

I did mod them following the basic principles explained in the long ortho thread. But slightly. Just did apply a full coating of bitumen fixed with tiny balls of blu tack in the cups, and a layer of acoustic dampening material on it used in studios. Nothing else.

 

I can't believe the improvement in imaging, separation of instruments and clarity I got from that simple mod. Oh, and the echo is completely gone now. I will take some pictures of course, and listen to them for a while in order to get used to those "new" headphones.
 


From your description of the echoing problem, it sounds like you need to rotate the headphones approximately 90 degrees on your head so they are covering your ears instead...

 

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Glad for you if you don't suffer it. I am certainly not the first one experiencing it, I reckon you read a little more about it in the several existing threads.
 

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Originally Posted by runswithaliens View Post


From your description of the echoing problem, it sounds like you need to rotate the headphones approximately 90 degrees on your head so they are covering your ears instead...

 

post #251 of 10878

 

Originally Posted by shamu144 View Post

 

I can't believe the improvement in imaging, separation of instruments and clarity I got from that simple mod. Oh, and the echo is completely gone now.

 

Good to know. You can always update your small review in the DT48 thread later on wink.gif

post #252 of 10878

After all this time, I'm still extremely blown away by the thick low end bass response of that phone....bass roll off? in your dreams! even at very low volume, it's loud and clear...and yet not overblown whatsoever, it doesn't kill the mids at all.

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I purchased mine from them and they ended up being V2 despite the questionable V1 picture on the site.


Edited by NapalmK - 10/11/10 at 8:43am
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And "runswithaliens" just posted that it sounds amazing from the 0404 USB, which nearly has me sold.  But now "Acix" has me wondering if any ole' headphone amp would do.  

 

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Originally Posted by Acix View Post

^^ I don't think the EMU is is enough to drive 100% out of the T50. Try to get some hps amp, and you'll hear the differences.

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