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post #1 of 22
10/24/09 at 10:49pm
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As you all know by now, ClieOS recently reviewed several IEMs from Fischer Audio. While all the models provided good performance, the true show-stopper was the Eterna. At under $60, he said they are on par with the top-tier, beating the RE0, Shure E530 and comparable to the IE8 and TF10.

So now the question is, do we trust ClieOS? He's been a good contributor to Head-Fi, but really, do we think the Eterna can beat out RE0 and E530?

Second, what is the update on availability? If it does prove to be this amazing value, could a Head-Fi sponsor please pick them up!

Really, this is just meant to be a discussion thread for Eterna. Post your comments, speculations, anything you want.

Additionally, please post if you want Fischer Audio products in the U.S! Perhaps if they see how interested Head-Fiers are, they'll get a distributor here.

Also, any updates on group buys?
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post #2 of 22
10/24/09 at 10:55pm
I Trust ClieOS.

And i reallllllyyyy want a Fischer Eterna... if only they were available.

Heck, i'd pay international shipping, if i hadn't just ordered JH5s.
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post #3 of 22
10/24/09 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by andyreynold View Post
As you all know by now, ClieOS recently reviewed several IEMs from Fischer Audio. While all the models provided good performance, the true show-stopper was the Eterna. At under $60, he said they are on par with the top-tier, beating the RE0, Shure E530 and comparable to the IE8 and TF10.

So now the question is, do we trust ClieOS? He's been a good contributor to Head-Fi, but really, do we think the Eterna can beat out RE0 and E530?

Second, what is the update on availability? If it does prove to be this amazing value, could a Head-Fi sponsor please pick them up!

Really, this is just meant to be a discussion thread for Eterna. Post your comments, speculations, anything you want.

Additionally, please post if you want Fischer Audio products in the U.S! Perhaps if they see how interested Head-Fiers are, they'll get a distributor here.

Also, any updates on group buys?
If you read the Fischer Audio review thread you would see that all of your sentiments and questions were brought up, and most of them were addressed. Several head-fiers, including myself, contacted Fischer and got them in touch with Craig at whiplashaudio. He's working on making them available, pending his own favorable impressions.

I really don't see the need for a new thread, unless you made it specifically to question the objectivity of Tai's review, in which case you should know that all reviews on head-fi are subjective. Not all of them are completely accurate since not everyone hears the same way, but very few are total misses (for that you should visit cnet). Ultimately, it is up to each head-fier to try out equipment and form his/her own evaluations. This, too, was brought up in the other thread.
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post #4 of 22
10/24/09 at 11:44pm
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Originally Posted by ljokerl View Post
If you read the Fischer Audio review thread you would see that all of your sentiments and questions were brought up, and most of them were addressed. Several head-fiers, including myself, contacted Fischer and got them in touch with Craig at whiplashaudio. He's working on making them available, pending his own favorable impressions.

I really don't see the need for a new thread, unless you made it specifically to question the objectivity of Tai's review, in which case you should know that all reviews on head-fi are subjective. Not all of them are completely accurate since not everyone hears the same way, but very few are total misses (for that you should visit cnet). Ultimately, it is up to each head-fier to try out equipment and form his/her own evaluations. This, too, was brought up in the other thread.
Sorry Joker. Been off the forums for a while, and the cellphone isn't too friendly for browsing multi-page threads.

On another note, I really respect you for all that you have contributed for this forum. But speaking on the subject of objectivity, may I ask you which of your headphones have been sent for review and which you have purchased? In the case that you've purchased them, what do you do man?! I wish I could make that type of money.

I hope that doesn't come off as too harsh. Again, I respect you a lot. I hope you choose to write about your IEMs and Full-Size headphones as your budget review was amazing.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend,
Andy
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post #5 of 22
10/25/09 at 12:56am
I remember when the PFE was touted as being >IE8, W3 etc.
Hopefully this isn't just another FOTM, because I might have to buy a pair when I can.
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post #6 of 22
10/25/09 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by andyreynold View Post
On another note, I really respect you for all that you have contributed for this forum. But speaking on the subject of objectivity, may I ask you which of your headphones have been sent for review and which you have purchased? In the case that you've purchased them, what do you do man?! I wish I could make that type of money.

I hope that doesn't come off as too harsh. Again, I respect you a lot. I hope you choose to write about your IEMs and Full-Size headphones as your budget review was amazing.
Nearly everything I own was purchased with my own money and/or acquired through trades. The only items in my current lineup that were review samples are the Soundmagic PL50s and UE MetroFis, but that does not mean that I won't be objective in reviewing them. Also got some more samples on the way. I try to keep a certain amount of money confined to gear circulation, and get most of it back when selling off my gear.

I am working on a multi-IEM review thread but I don't want to steal ClieOS's thunder so I'm holding off on posting it. Plus adding all the IEMs I own takes forever and I haven't yet settled on a review format. Also, I am very behind on adding headphones to my budget portables thread. A full-size headphone thread is a long way off since I don't have anything to drive some of them properly.
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post #7 of 22
10/25/09 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by andyreynold View Post
As you all know by now, ClieOS recently reviewed several IEMs from Fischer Audio. While all the models provided good performance, the true show-stopper was the Eterna. At under $60, he said they are on par with the top-tier, beating the RE0, Shure E530 and comparable to the IE8 and TF10.

So now the question is, do we trust ClieOS? He's been a good contributor to Head-Fi, but really, do we think the Eterna can beat out RE0 and E530?

Second, what is the update on availability? If it does prove to be this amazing value, could a Head-Fi sponsor please pick them up!

Really, this is just meant to be a discussion thread for Eterna. Post your comments, speculations, anything you want.

Additionally, please post if you want Fischer Audio products in the U.S! Perhaps if they see how interested Head-Fiers are, they'll get a distributor here.

Also, any updates on group buys?
I trust ClieOS, but as with anyone, I have to compare his reviews to what I actually hear and try to see how similar our hearing is given fit, source, etc. There are many people that review headphones here, and even if they hear things a little differently (although there are many people that are spot on), it is still valuable information.

ClieOS provides a great service for the member like myself that are interested in new IEMs but don't have the time to buy and try everything. I want the Eterna also, and now that Craig is involved, there is more of a chance we can get them, but even if that happens, it will probably take quite a while.

Finally, I don't see why this IEM can't be as good as others that are older, yet cost so much more. The most recent batch of dynamics IMO are a large step up from the previous generation for the price...technology is still moving forward!

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Originally Posted by ethan961 View Post
I remember when the PFE was touted as being >IE8, W3 etc.
Hopefully this isn't just another FOTM, because I might have to buy a pair when I can.
I recall it happening differently. There were a few people that preferred the PFE over or equal to the IE8, and possibly the W3, but the majority just thought that the PFE was a bargain for the price, as it was nearly as good as the two mentioned for less than 1/2 the price.

Then there was the group of people that openly hated the PFE. It was a war for a while.
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post #8 of 22
10/25/09 at 3:22pm
I was mainly recalling the initial impressions of people, say the first few pages of the first PFE threads, stating that it may be a top tier contender. I remember the value perspective coming later, but my memory may be wrong.
I might look into becoming a distributor if they need another one.
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post #9 of 22
10/25/09 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post
I recall it happening differently. There were a few people that preferred the PFE over or equal to the IE8, and possibly the W3, but the majority just thought that the PFE was a bargain for the price, as it was nearly as good as the two mentioned for less than 1/2 the price.

Then there was the group of people that openly hated the PFE. It was a war for a while.
I can't imagine what there is to hate about the PFE. I find it much easier to find fault in a $350+ IEM then a $135 IEM.
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post #10 of 22
10/25/09 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by ibis99 View Post
I can't imagine what there is to hate about the PFE. I find it much easier to find fault in a $350+ IEM then a $135 IEM.
Some people thought it had too much detail and that the detail was a detriment to the sound, was too bright, had too little bass, and had poor build quality (defects), and needed an amp to be pushed to its full potential.
Nothing works for everyone, I for one thought it had too little bass but I have since learned much about the whole field, and now know that the 1st generation iPod touch is a rather thin sounding player.
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post #11 of 22
10/26/09 at 2:49am
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Originally Posted by ibis99 View Post
I can't imagine what there is to hate about the PFE. I find it much easier to find fault in a $350+ IEM then a $135 IEM.
There are some people that are going to have every opinion imaginable. There was at least 1 person that gave up their IE8 for an ADDIEM.

And the PFE with the stock gray filters was pretty bright and not my style. But the black filters worked great, but did reduce the detail. Also, I think BA's need to be inserted deeper than dynamics, which some people aren't used to, or have trouble finding the sweet spot as far as insertion depth.
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post #12 of 22
11/2/09 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by andyreynold View Post
While all the models provided good performance, the true show-stopper was the Eterna. At under $60, he said they are on par with the top-tier, beating the RE0, Shure E530 and comparable to the IE8 and TF10.
No, they do not beat RE0. And I do not even dare to compare them with 530 and the same class earphones.
I am an Eterna's owner for almost two years and I know all their goods and bads. Finally I decided to replace them with RE0 just because RE0 sound fantastic to my ears. Ten minutes of the direct comparison was enough for me
If you have any questions - please write (better in PM), I'll try to answer.
Anyway Eterna are good earphones and I agree that you can get one of the best "bang for a buck" on buying them. Though having very bassy and somewhere muffled sound, they bring you a lot of drive and involve you into the music.
Anyway, as for me RE0 are twice as good as Eterna but twice as expensive (including shipping to Russia)
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post #13 of 22
11/2/09 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by imago-nomad View Post
No, they do not beat RE0. And I do not even dare to compare them with 530 and the same class earphones.
I am an Eterna's owner for almost two years and I know all their goods and bads. Finally I decided to replace them with RE0 just because RE0 sound fantastic to my ears. Ten minutes of the direct comparison was enough for me
If you have any questions - please write (better in PM), I'll try to answer.
Anyway Eterna are good earphones and I agree that you can get one of the best "bang for a buck" on buying them. Though having very bassy and somewhere muffled sound, they bring you a lot of drive and involve you into the music.
Anyway, as for me RE0 are twice as good as Eterna but twice as expensive (including shipping to Russia)
Interesting... No one's brought it up before. I think you could do head-fi a big favor if you posted a review or at least impressions of the Eterna in a new thread. Always good to have some counter-balance.

Welcome to Head-fi and sorry about your wallet
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post #14 of 22
11/2/09 at 7:37am
A_Dying_Wren, i did a review of the Eterna a long ago for one of the local forums. I'll try to translate it today and post here (if it'll be interesting to anyone of course).
As for now I found my own old photos of the Eterna with Shure black tips (I experimented with tips a lot):




On the top of pictures are included tips (bi-flanges too), on the bottom - Shure's. My Eterna is of the very first edition, with chrome body sides. As far as I know, the sound in the later editions should remain the same.

Didn't quite understand about my wallet... what did you mean? Either RE0 or Eterna are both not expensive for me, I just want to get the "best bang for a buck", like many of people here.
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post #15 of 22
11/2/09 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by imago-nomad View Post
Didn't quite understand about my wallet... what did you mean? Either RE0 or Eterna are both not expensive for me, I just want to get the "best bang for a buck", like many of people here.
Its just the motto of head-fi because quite often people join starting out with the idea of buying something for x amount of dollars or best bang for the buck but often end up with something far more expensive (eventually). Its just a saying and doesn't apply to everyone.
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