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post #16 of 29
11/3/09 at 3:19pm
cn11...

I definitely find the treble of the Denons to be harsher than the JVCs, the JVCs are more extended (which, I suppose could give an opinion of sharpness?!?) but the Denons, with a hot recording - to me, sound brutal (when driven hard)...

Ironically, the Denons have been good for one thing - making me realise that the [1st gen] iPod classic really isn't all that bad... I've gone back to one of my older setups (Classic -> LO via radio remote -> Denons), and - when driven at low volumes, can sound totally brilliant... I am tending to find that the Sony X just sounds a bit too full on with the Denons...

Horses for courses of course, but - at least I have found a happy place with the Denons
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post #17 of 29
11/3/09 at 5:27pm
Hey Duncan-
I'm glad you're finding a better spot with the Denons. But it's a shame that you had to pay through the nose over the pond! You should have let me know you wanted to purchase them, I'd have been happy to pick up a pair for you and ship them to you. They were running around $90-100 USD when in stock over here. I think they're a pretty good bargain for that amount.

I take it they're burned in now, and have mellowed somewhat. I too still find the treble a little harsh from time to time, but I think with burn in it settled to the point where it's only with material that's harsh by nature, in the recording.


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cn11...

I definitely find the treble of the Denons to be harsher than the JVCs, the JVCs are more extended (which, I suppose could give an opinion of sharpness?!?) but the Denons, with a hot recording - to me, sound brutal (when driven hard)...

Ironically, the Denons have been good for one thing - making me realise that the [1st gen] iPod classic really isn't all that bad... I've gone back to one of my older setups (Classic -> LO via radio remote -> Denons), and - when driven at low volumes, can sound totally brilliant... I am tending to find that the Sony X just sounds a bit too full on with the Denons...

Horses for courses of course, but - at least I have found a happy place with the Denons
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post #18 of 29
11/3/09 at 5:47pm
So what do you consider loud vs. quiet? To me, the IE8 does better at quiet volumes than the C710. And what I mean by quiet is around 15-20% on the Fuze, one or two volume bumps from zero on the E5, and 4-8 volume on the AMP3.
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post #19 of 29
11/15/09 at 11:32pm
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While I don't necessarily think the C710 is a better all-rounder than the IE8, I do prefer the sound signature of the C710. However, I sold my C710 because the Mingo WM2 has better mids (clearer, more detailed, and a little more forward) and treble with as wide of a space, if not wider. And the bass is very comparable, but the WM2 has more reverb and the C710 is quicker.

But the harshness of the treble completely went away after burn in.

If you get a chance to try the WM2, go for it, I think they are excellent sounding, although they lack a little in build quality. And they need a good amount of burn in for the bass to settle down, the treble to smooth out, and the stage to really open up.
cant believe yousold you c710's, you loved those, are the wm2 really that much better,, r they holding up ok. and where can you order them, ive looked and it is frustrating.
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post #20 of 29
11/15/09 at 11:57pm
If you are making a decision based off bass performance, I would choose the C710. After extensive burn in the C710 had more bass then the WM2, but it was close. I liked the rest of the spectrum with the WM2 better than the C710, but neither one blew the other away.

I am also ready to sell my IE8, and I loved that also! The RE252 is really good, but not a bass monster at all like any of the ones you are looking at.
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post #21 of 29
11/16/09 at 12:07am
cool thanks, looks like ill be getting those c710 afterall, then there will finally be a cks70 to c710 review on headfi, i was originally looking for that comparison and i know someone else out there is doing the same....
....i still havent ruled out the mingo either, where do you reccomend ordering them from?
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post #22 of 29
11/24/09 at 6:38am
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Oh, wow I have had a lot of responses on this thread that I started a while back, I would like to also say that yes. I never had a pair of IEM I had to burn in as long as the c710. They sound really different after you let them burn in. But you will blow your ears out, if you turn the volume anywhere more than half. I can't believe how loud these IEMs are. I had to lock the volume on my ipod so I don't go deaf because sometimes I would resume my song and it would play on max. That would HURT haha. Hey cn11, I did alot of research before I picked the c710 up. I read all your post on the c710, and you said they are much better than the c750. Do you still think they are ? For around the same price range, do you think any othe IEM compare to the c710 ? I haven't got the chance to try out the monster turbines how are they compared to the c710 ?
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post #23 of 29
12/2/09 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by Duncan View Post
cn11...

I definitely find the treble of the Denons to be harsher than the JVCs, the JVCs are more extended (which, I suppose could give an opinion of sharpness?!?) but the Denons, with a hot recording - to me, sound brutal (when driven hard)...

Ironically, the Denons have been good for one thing - making me realise that the [1st gen] iPod classic really isn't all that bad... I've gone back to one of my older setups (Classic -> LO via radio remote -> Denons), and - when driven at low volumes, can sound totally brilliant... I am tending to find that the Sony X just sounds a bit too full on with the Denons...

Horses for courses of course, but - at least I have found a happy place with the Denons
i am very glad to hear this, as i also thought the c710 highs were rediculous, and an overall loud iem ta boot. they highs sttled a little after burn but i will compare them too the so called overly bright fx500
which i hope is the same as the fx1000,
c710 did have punch which i really liked, and also had warmth, but left a very unnatural canned sound, these were also a pain to compare to others as there volume is adjusted way up and loudedr than any iem i have tried litterally. thank goodness the fx500 isnt as horrifically bright as the c710,
i think i may keep my atrio to the c7109which also has an unnatural sound, but is way more comfortable and more comfortabe than most.

---now will the fx500 outperform the triplefi 10....to be continued........

Tally Ho!
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post #24 of 29
12/2/09 at 3:23pm
I have to say that I am really liking the C710s now - they are - for the second month running, my FOTM...

My current setup (which works rather well, even if I do say so myself) is:

iPod Classic (1st Gen) -> Apple Remote (LOD) -> Denon C710 -> UE double flanged tips

I think its all in the tips, they really do change the sound for the better (UE really know how to make good ones!!)

...Back to the music!!
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post #25 of 29
12/2/09 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by supracrazy_tommy View Post
Oh, wow I have had a lot of responses on this thread that I started a while back, I would like to also say that yes. I never had a pair of IEM I had to burn in as long as the c710. They sound really different after you let them burn in. But you will blow your ears out, if you turn the volume anywhere more than half. I can't believe how loud these IEMs are. I had to lock the volume on my ipod so I don't go deaf because sometimes I would resume my song and it would play on max. That would HURT haha. Hey cn11, I did alot of research before I picked the c710 up. I read all your post on the c710, and you said they are much better than the c750. Do you still think they are ? For around the same price range, do you think any othe IEM compare to the c710 ? I haven't got the chance to try out the monster turbines how are they compared to the c710 ?
Hey, sorry, I only just revisited this thread and saw your post to me.... I do still think the C710 is better than the C700/751. I like the added bass depth, wider soundstage with nicer resolution all better than the previous model (s). You are right in that they are crazy loud. I guess it's because of their high efficiency, while having that spiky treble energy. It combines to encourage you to keep volume down for sure. Luckily they're an IEM which is equally rewarding at low volumes. As for other IEM's around the same price comparing well, hmmm, tough call. I really, really like the Klipsch S4, but it has quite a bit less bass (although it can be EQ'd up very effectively). I'm also waiting on delivery of a pair of Audio Technica CKS70's, which are supposed bass monsters but with very good mids and soundstaging. We'll see.
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post #26 of 29
12/2/09 at 4:58pm
i still am just not hearing it for the C710. nothing ive done to them makes me for even a second think they are better than the C751
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post #27 of 29
12/2/09 at 5:18pm
Mark...

It took me a long time, lots of excess volume, and changing to the UE double flange tips to find the love... As a result of the above the treble is smooth (no sibilance!), mids are rich, and bass well textured...

You heard it here first, the JVCs sound hollow, with a sharp treble in comparison to my tortured Denons... and from my initial impressions of the Denons, I would've never thought I would say that!
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post #28 of 29
12/2/09 at 5:33pm
hmmm ill give them a try but i cant see it making we really like these.

genuinely actually thought about getting rid of them. the fx500 and C751 are just better, amped, unamped and that bass, god i wish it would just fcuk off
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post #29 of 29
12/6/09 at 6:42pm
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Mark...

It took me a long time, lots of excess volume, and changing to the UE double flange tips to find the love... As a result of the above the treble is smooth (no sibilance!), mids are rich, and bass well textured...

You heard it here first, the JVCs sound hollow, with a sharp treble in comparison to my tortured Denons... and from my initial impressions of the Denons, I would've never thought I would say that!
I really love my JVCs so to hear that the Denons are that much better convinced me to order a pair. I thought the madness was over!
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