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post #61 of 73
10/20/09 at 11:14pm
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Originally Posted by HipHopScribe View Post
The ghost of Marc Bolan would like a word with you. Well, you did say some were debatable.
Yeah I know. I really wanted to post NY Dolls self-titled actually, but I couldn't justify it. I'll give you T. Rex though.
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post #62 of 73
10/20/09 at 11:26pm
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actually, Kind of Blue came 10 years after the birth of cool jazz, which was introduced with Miles Davis' presciently titled, earlier (and IMHO, better) album, Birth of the Cool:
Yes, but it was the definitive album. Birth of the cool wasnt received too well by musicians at its release (however it is very popular now), and Kind of Blue really set the new direction for this kind of jazz after its excellent reception (shortly before or after - cant remember) Ornettes "The Shape of Jazz to Come" which wasnt received that well by the wider community.

Birth of the cool is great, but KoB was the one that defined the genre for many.
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post #63 of 73
10/20/09 at 11:38pm
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Googling the term, seems like bands like Sigur Ros, God Speed You Black Emperor, and Tortoise are all "post-rock" bands. I've heard a bit from those bands, some I think is pretty good, some seems a bit pretentious or boring for my tastes after awhile. I'll have to look into Slint... sounds familiar.
Yeah, considering how big and diverse the movement has grown already, it can be a hit-and-miss. There are different "schools" of post-rock within the genre and I'd say the most accessible one is the Explosions In The Sky style of post-rock.

I'm a big fan; but personally, there are a lot of post-rock albums I don't like such as those by Gregor Samsa, Grails, Port-Royal... a few by Do Make Say Think, Tortoise and a lot more. Of course, there's much more that I like but listing them will take forever

I'd say the most accessible starting points would be:

* Sigur Rós - "Ágætis byrjun"; or, "( )"
* Explosions in the Sky - The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place
* Mogwai - Young Team
* Dirty Three - Ocean Songs

The most recent post-rock albums I really liked were Mooncake's "Lagrange Points" and The Evpatoria Report's "Maar" - both from last year. No mindblowing post-rock this year yet, although Mono's "Hymn to the Immortal Wind", Balmorhea's "All Is Wild, All Is Silent" and Maybeshewill's "Sing the Word Hope in Four-Part Harmony" are quite good.

Continuing the thread:

Drone: Natural Snow Buildings - The Dance of the Moon and the Sun



Krautrock: Can - Tago Mago



Psychedelic Folk: Comus - First Utterance

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post #64 of 73
10/21/09 at 12:01am
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If you've got the setup, or know someone who does, play both songs on a big stereo system, preferably one room filling. The stereo separation in Flesh is EPIC when it fills a whole room. It's easy to tell why that changed the whole genre.
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post #65 of 73
10/21/09 at 12:18am
Speaking of EBM... why is "Flesh" the definitive album? It might be one of the pioneers but what about:

Front 242 - Front by Front
Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft - Alles ist gut
Meat Beat Manifesto - 99%
Nitzer Ebb - That Total Age

???
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post #66 of 73
10/21/09 at 12:34am
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Originally Posted by kb1gra View Post
If you've got the setup, or know someone who does, play both songs on a big stereo system, preferably one room filling. The stereo separation in Flesh is EPIC when it fills a whole room. It's easy to tell why that changed the whole genre.
Unfortunately I don't know anyone with any setup quite like that. In fact, come to think of it, most of my pals don't have any sort of decent stereo system. They all have record players, but they're hooked up to crap mostly.
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post #67 of 73
10/21/09 at 10:40am
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Yes, but it was the definitive album. Birth of the cool wasnt received too well by musicians at its release (however it is very popular now), and Kind of Blue really set the new direction for this kind of jazz after its excellent reception (shortly before or after - cant remember) Ornettes "The Shape of Jazz to Come" which wasnt received that well by the wider community.

Birth of the cool is great, but KoB was the one that defined the genre for many.

i guess some clarification is needed. you listed Kind of Blue as definitive for "cool/modal jazz." really, they are two different styles of jazz.

cool jazz (or West Coast jazz) was sort of a sub-genre within the be-bop movement, and is really more of a precursor to modal jazz than synonymous with it. and Birth of the Cool is certainly the definitive cool jazz album.

Kind of Blue is a landmark for modal jazz, which is more of a radical departure from be-bop/hard-bop than cool jazz was, because it essentially introduced a new form of jazz composition, where cool was more defined simply by playing style.

so we're both right.
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post #68 of 73
10/21/09 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by fuseboxx View Post
Speaking of EBM... why is "Flesh" the definitive album? It might be one of the pioneers but what about:

Front 242 - Front by Front
Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft - Alles ist gut
Meat Beat Manifesto - 99%
Nitzer Ebb - That Total Age

???
Flesh was the first single to be played in that kind of dark trancey style that would eventually evolve into new beat, acid house, etc.

Those are all good, but I wouldn't call them genre defining. The misplay of Flesh really did start a whole new style of deep techno.
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post #69 of 73
10/21/09 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by VicAjax View Post
i guess some clarification is needed. you listed Kind of Blue as definitive for "cool/modal jazz." really, they are two different styles of jazz.

cool jazz (or West Coast jazz) was sort of a sub-genre within the be-bop movement, and is really more of a precursor to modal jazz than synonymous with it. and Birth of the Cool is certainly the definitive cool jazz album.

Kind of Blue is a landmark for modal jazz, which is more of a radical departure from be-bop/hard-bop than cool jazz was, because it essentially introduced a new form of jazz composition, where cool was more defined simply by playing style.

so we're both right.
Oh, brainfart.
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post #70 of 73
10/21/09 at 1:14pm
<OK Computer>

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Originally Posted by HipHopScribe View Post
Doesn't seem to fit the bill since it came out over a decade into the genre.
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Originally Posted by adrift View Post
Disagree heavily. Seems to me a genre defining alternative rock album would be something from a band like the B-52s, Smiths, R.E.M... something like that. Something before the word "alternative" lost its meaning.
Think of it as re-defining then. It certainly changed the landscape, do you not think?
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post #71 of 73
10/21/09 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by bcpk View Post
<OK Computer>





Think of it as re-defining then. It certainly changed the landscape, do you not think?
not think.

Eh, I don't know. I'm pretty indifferent about the album and its influence altogether. It is a popular album though.
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post #72 of 73
10/21/09 at 7:27pm
It's not my favourite album of theirs, but it seems to be pretty much universally agreed to be their most influential.
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post #73 of 73
10/22/09 at 6:47am
Funeral Doom Metal: Skepticism - Stormcrowfleet

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