List of Gapless Players- Help me make this list. - Page 3

@dfkt & punnisher: yes Cowon u5 support gapless, i suprise too , btw how to prove it?? LOL , i already tested using mp3 and wav, they worked. Model number is CWS-iAudio-U5(B) , korean version, capacity 8gb, s/n: SU0801107177 , firmware version 2.13. setting for "general" > "Fade in" is 0 sec

@punnisher: i have kenwood hd20ga7, its no support gapless, so i think not all kenwood dap support

Again, if you want to record to a Sony-only format, be my guest, but ATRAC for use as storage on a HD means a whole shift to Sony-only thinking. Those files will not work with any other hardware unless you spit them out from your computer in optical signal. If things have desparately changed for recording since last year, I stand corrected about pulling files from the Sony which it has recorded (e.g. PCM files), but it has been a hassle since day one with SonicStage and comes too late).

And, as for moving recorded files from the Sony to the computer, you cannot use just sonicstage. Such moves require 2-3 different pieces of software and a hell of a lot of headaches.

I know mac is a small market, but the point is that you have to use Windows, and often to get the best features, need to use the Japanese version of SS - a problem as Windows doesn't support multiple languages, leaving menu items a garbled mess.

If you are sold on ATRAC Sound, that is fine, but it has not consistently done well even in blind listening tests. tests like this one show that the ATRAC format, when tied to the platform comes at a serious disadvantage to other formats.

I love MD, but no matter how Sony fight and fiddle the market, they are not going to be able to change anything; their encoding technology, while good and decent, has been surpassed a long time ago by other, more open technologies. ATRAC's main flaw is how closed it is. It gets input only from Sony or its progenies around the world.

I don't want to use the files with anything else. They're for my portable only. I don't use files for listening to music anywhere else. This isn't any different than encoding in KLS for the Kenwood.

With all due respect, you don't own the X, do you? I've dragged and dropped ATRAC just fine. And with older Sony players I've owned (Vaio Pocket, NW-HD3, NW-HD5), I just used SonicStage. My experience with FOUR different Sony players disproves what you are saying, and with the X (and the new A in Japan), it gets simpler with drag and drop.

You change one line in the .ini to get it to install under an English OS. Took me about 10 seconds to figure it out. And for the record, there are versions of Windows that support multiple languages. Most people don't install them since they only work in one. I see Japanese just fine in Windows 7 Ultimate.

Again, you sound pretty bitter against Sony and don't really know what you're talking about here.

There's a reason Sony only markets it in Japan - people didn't want it as proprietary and hence dropped it, creating the NWZ line elsewhere so people can just drag and drop.

Yet you still have formats like ALAC which are technically proprietary. You have to use software to load the iPod or a Zune as well (both of which are proprietary, but you can find alternatives to iTunes). The problem is that SS sucked and was not very stable early on, got a bad rap, and ATRAC was an unfortunate side effect which killed things. If things had been the other way around and Sony had beat the iPod (yes, imagine this world for a minute), we would not be talking about ALAC or iTunes; people would be using SS or something like it. It's just luck of the draw; Apple has largely won the DAP wars.

edit: too off-topic, better back to topic