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post #871 of 1668
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Originally Posted by woof37 View Post
I see where those Beyer T-1s retail for $1300. Sennheiser made the $1400-ish price point acceptable among high-end cans. I have a feeling we're going to see the ultra high-ed models retail for that rather than $1000 from now on. That's just too much scratch to experiment with for me.
T1 retail is $1300 but the going street price is $995 in the USA.
post #872 of 1668
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Originally Posted by mypasswordis View Post
Why let the prices of headphones dictate their worth and sonic merit? Why not let your ears decide? For what purpose are we in this hobby, to get that bit closer to sonic perfection or to be able to gloat over others the large amounts of money we spent or plan to spend?
A very prudent point in this or any hobby. The best example of price to performance is in my opinion the well known Koss KSC-35's. Though not available anymore, they were sold for as little as $20 new and were (and still are) incredible. Close in sound to another high performing phone (Grado SR-60) but at 1/3 the cost. Price does not always dictate performance, and certainly some prices are a reflection of jewelary-like additions (gold and diamonds etc) but other times it is a reflection of R&D, wages, cost recovery etc.
post #873 of 1668
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Originally Posted by mypasswordis View Post
Why let the prices of headphones dictate their worth and sonic merit? Why not let your ears decide? For what purpose are we in this hobby, to get that bit closer to sonic perfection or to be able to gloat over others the large amounts of money we spent or plan to spend?
Well, in MY case, I DID let my ears decide. It has nothing to do with the actual cost of the headphones. And for me this should be clear, since I have said I prefer the HE-5 over the Senn HD800.

Perhaps I should have not said "more ambitious design", although I do think the driver technology in the T1 is pretty sophisticated. I know the planar design of the HE-5 is also unusual, and surely not simple. But that it is different does not define its level of sophistication (necessarily).

But anyway, I have done nothing but praise the HE-5's and I still think they are terrific headphones. That it appears I prefer the T1 is JMO - YMMV.
post #874 of 1668
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Originally Posted by SteveM324 View Post
I totally agree, plus if the HE-5 was assembled in Germany, it would probably cost well over $1000.
And you would know? I'll join your speculation: they probably take about an hour to assemble, but let's say it takes them 5. Let's give the factory worker a very inflated salary of $100,000 a year or about $50/hour. Whoops, they still only cost $800.
post #875 of 1668
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Originally Posted by somestranger26 View Post
And you would know? I'll join your speculation: they probably take about an hour to assemble, but let's say it takes them 5. Let's give the factory worker a very inflated salary of $100,000 a year or about $50/hour. Whoops, they still only cost $800.
You are only considering the person assembling the headphone not the overhead, facilities, marketing and other expenses.
post #876 of 1668
HE-5 are either sibilant by nature or I got one from bad bunch:



As you can see, I've made good use of included cable connectors. When balanced, sibilance is under better control but still there.

For those who would mention EF-5: please don't. I prefer SS PRAT and already have more than enough headamps.

These do love fast headamps. X-Can V2 is not up to speed. Green Solo is almost there but it has no "juice" to drive them loud(er). Roc does them right. On all three headamps HE-5 sssssibilates.

So I've "balanced" them and even modified Roc to give the more than 2 W at their 26 Ohms (to match or surpass EF-5 in that respect). I've put them through 50 hours now, will give them another 150-200 and reevaluate.

Any of you know what is EF-5's output impedance? Would like to try impedance matching and see what happens.

Beside this sssssibilant brightnesssss - great headphones.
post #877 of 1668
SS (or hybrid) is exactly what Fang recommends. They shouldn't be sibilant
post #878 of 1668
Thread Starter 
Once you arrive on a conclusion on how to drive the HE-5 it's a mighty fine phone, among the best of it's driver type and of Headphones period. 09' has been a GREAT Year for Headphone introductions and should be celebrated as such...."OMG so many great phones and so little money"!!

Most Years around here haven't been as great........

HOW MANY VARIABLES EXIST TO BRINGING THE SOUND YOU DESIRE? The "Chain" of components is necessary...it ain't all about phones anyhow...!
post #879 of 1668
FauDrei,

I'm sorry that your experience w/ the HE-5 has been an encounter w/ sibilance. I was just wondering, have you tried any of ur other DACs (other than the revered REF1)? I know that Tim uses the same REF1, and I'd be shocked as any if REF1 had any relation with the HE-5's sibilance (esp since the REF1 is something I'm pining after)...
post #880 of 1668
No sibiliance with my CD7/Ref1/Phoenix/HE5 combo.
I thought it was pretty much confirmed that Tim had a variant phone.


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post #881 of 1668
I have a question to the HE-5 owners out there,

Just how good are they? ( The new toy syndrome aside and all ) How do they compare to the K701's or DT 150's? Also do they really stand a chance against the HD800's K1000's DX-1000's R10 so on... Seems kind of too good to be true... Either way, I am pairing them with the EF-5, and cannot wait to try them... I just don't want to be expecting too much, since I have been a victim of this before... I hope its not hype, and they are really a special headphone, either way I will find out shortly... Cheers,
post #882 of 1668
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Originally Posted by SteveM324 View Post
You are only considering the person assembling the headphone not the overhead, facilities, marketing and other expenses.
  • Marketing would be the same price regardless of where they're manufactured.
  • Overhead for customer service, warranty replacements, etc. should be the same regardless of location, since that's out of China anyway
  • Facilities would cost more, but they're still paying plenty for manufacturing facilities in China
  • I can't think of what other expenses they would have that would be dependent on location, except all the components that they manufacture in China would cost more to ship to Germany.
  • A large amount of the cost is not for the above costs but for recovering R&D costs, just like most new headphones. The T1 probably cost a ton for R&D of the ridiculously high tesla rating the driver has. That, and the recent events like the Hd800 release that suddenly made $1000+ headphones acceptably priced.

We can speculate all we want, but these headphones that are made in Germany are not several hundred dollars more because of manufacturing costs; if that were the case, the HD650 which are manufactured in Ireland would be $500+.
post #883 of 1668
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Originally Posted by MikePio View Post
I have a question to the HE-5 owners out there,
Just how good are they? ( The new toy syndrome aside and all )
Just go back 20 pages, take 15 minutes and read the latter part of this or the other thread. It will answer all of your questions.

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Originally Posted by SteveM324 View Post
I totally agree, plus if the HE-5 was assembled in Germany, it would probably cost well over $1000.
With the wood and leather, I'd say more like $1500. (We're not talking painted plastic, here...that was for David )
post #884 of 1668
i have had mine for over 2 months now and i can say i still think their better then the hd800s i returned last month.
post #885 of 1668
Thats great to hear! Now I am really excited to hear these, hopefully these will ship before christmas but I doubt it...
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