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post #751 of 1668
I've heard nearly all the top orthos out there and know what sibilance is when i hear it. Here you people are trying to make others second guess their own hearing by saying snake oil stuff like give it a few more hundred hours f burn in, your amp is not right, your source is not right., which all may be valid but upto a point.

I am not suggesting the LCD-2 will be better, in fact I honestly opine that folks interested in orthos pick up a vintage ortho and mod it to all hell and they'll still get the sound quality approaching that of a HE-5 for a tenth of the price but get 80-90% of the sound. Then gain modding is not for all.
IN which case there are only two options, one of which is the HE-5 and the other is the LCD-2. Both offer different flavors and clearly tim is susceptible to peaky high so the LCD-2 might suit him better if he wants to pursue an orthodynamic.

Stop reading too much into my posts. I am not shilling for anyone nor am I on the take. I put my thoughts out clearly and plainly with no ulterior motive.
post #752 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Nankai View Post
At early begining we want to do HE-5 as handmaking project, but I changed my mind after RMAF. HE-5 headphones were made in our factory manufacturer line. Current Max. Manufaturing ability is 1000pcs per month. All headphones were tested on B&k before shipping.
So only the first batch were hand made? 1000pcs per month..wow impressive!
post #753 of 1668
I did think the variation between Tim's pair and mine was immediately noticeable. It was clear they were the same headphones, but my pair was warmer, and less bright on top. This could be due to any of three reasons:

1. Sample-to-sample variation. This is what I suspect.

2. Cable differences (Head-Direct changed the stock cable from mine to his) - I doubt this causes the difference, but it might have.

3. Burn-in - it's possible this accounts for the difference, since I put more than 100 hours on mine before I ever spent much time listening. But if memory serves me, the HE-5 if anything were more mellow right out of the box. So I doubt more burn in will help. It might make things worse.


Tim is going to need different cans for sure, I think - he also listens much louder than I do, and so slightly bright headphones will be more bearable for me than for him.
post #754 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
I did think the variation between Tim's pair and mine was immediately noticeable. It was clear they were the same headphones, but my pair was warmer, and less bright on top. This could be due to any of three reasons:

1. Sample-to-sample variation. This is what I suspect.

2. Cable differences (Head-Direct changed the stock cable from mine to his) - I doubt this causes the difference, but it might have.

3. Burn-in - it's possible this accounts for the difference, since I put more than 100 hours on mine before I ever spent much time listening. But if memory serves me, the HE-5 if anything were more mellow right out of the box. So I doubt more burn in will help. It might make things worse.


Tim is going to need different cans for sure, I think - he also listens much louder than I do, and so slightly bright headphones will be more bearable for me than for him.
My HE-5 are also warmer and less bright on top than my HD800 if that matters at all. The more I listen to the HE-5 the more I like them. I'm now thinking about a balanced cable and will contact Fang about either the connectors or a whole cable with a 4-pin XLR. I'm not sure I want to change the wire in the cable, since the stock cable seems a good match for the HE-5.
post #755 of 1668
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Originally Posted by sachu View Post
So only the first batch were hand made?
Actually the first batch were not so called "hand made" either. The first batch were assemblied of component samples from our vendors (we need to confirm samples in the early begining). Same components to the second batch.
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post #756 of 1668
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
My HE-5 are also warmer and less bright on top than my HD800 if that matters at all. The more I listen to the HE-5 the more I like them. I'm now thinking about a balanced cable and will contact Fang about either the connectors or a whole cable with a 4-pin XLR. I'm not sure I want to change the wire in the cable, since the stock cable seems a good match for the HE-5.
Yeah, I really like them a lot too. I am very happy about how mine sound. Just wish my balanced cable was here But I know APureSound will have it done soon.
post #757 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
I did think the variation between Tim's pair and mine was immediately noticeable. It was clear they were the same headphones, but my pair was warmer, and less bright on top.

1. Sample-to-sample variation. This is what I suspect.

Tim is going to need different cans for sure, I think - he also listens much louder than I do, and so slightly bright headphones will be more bearable for me than for him.
Which is what i have thought it to be too and have said so a few pages back. I listen to my phones louder than most people as well. Of course when i made those comments then I was given the same treatment that Tim received "your amp and/or source is not good enough" which i knew was hogwash.

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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post
I would take Skylab's pair in a second.
Looks like it sounds like the pair of he-5 i wished I had owned too.

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Originally Posted by Nankai View Post
Actually the first batch were not so called "hand made" either. The first batch were assemblied of component samples from our vendors (we need to confirm samples in the early begining). Same components to the second batch.
I bought one of these pairs and seems I received the one that had this sibilance problem..Cause i know I would have kept them if it didn't and said so openly.

edit: made it easier for you..my thoughts on the HE-5 on THIS thread. AS some people can't seem to read properly and just jump to making assumptions and insinuations.

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/6125188-post167.html
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/6141774-post347.html
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/6205145-post514.html
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/6221474-post625.html

so for those who received a pair without the treble spike..am envious..they indeed are what i consider to be a perfect headphone with lots of ortho-goodness.
post #758 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
Yeah, I really like them a lot too. I am very happy about how mine sound. Just wish my balanced cable was here But I know APureSound will have it done soon.
WAAAHhhh!!!....(sniff!)...me too....

I need my cable dammit!!
post #759 of 1668
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
WAAAHhhh!!!....(sniff!)...me too....

I need my cable dammit!!
X3. If the stock cable was longer, I'd be happy. I'm waiting on a Apuresound V3 10ft SE cable with super black nylon.
post #760 of 1668
Fang has agreed to accept a return. I want to say again, Skylab's sounded fine and the sound is really impressive for the most part (I don't want to take away from those who are enjoying them). I know what this type of headphone can achieve now.
post #761 of 1668
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Originally Posted by sachu View Post
Solution?: Wait for the AUdeze LCD-2 , bit more laidback signature.

So true that the HE-5 has a lot going for it, but then it comes down to a lottery whether you get a nice pair of HE-5s or not.
Why are you recommending a headphone that's not in production? Who knows what their production model is going to sound like and how their QC will be?
I wouldn't consider it a lottery when nearly everyone that has received their HE-5 (except you and Tim) is very satisfied including me.
post #762 of 1668
I think he is saying that from reports, the LCD-2 is a different flavor of this type of headphone that has less upfront treble (which is what I read and I am interested).
Enjoy yours and try to accept the fact that we may have received models that are possibly out of spec.
All done now...
post #763 of 1668
I'm thinking about getting the he5- ef5 combo sometime early next year. My question is would a Musical Fidelity V-Dac be a good enough Dac for that combo or do I need a Dac that costs more than a grand?
post #764 of 1668
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Originally Posted by SteveM324 View Post
Why are you recommending a headphone that's not in production? Who knows what their production model is going to sound like and how their QC will be?
I wouldn't consider it a lottery when nearly everyone that has received their HE-5 (except you and Tim) is very satisfied including me.
Not saying the LCD-2 is better..i haven't heard it myself..but the sound signature is going to be similar..an ortho sound is very distinctive and i was referring to the fact that what he liked with the HE-5 he might as well find in the LCD-2 without the treble spike. Of course if he can have Fang send him an HE-5 without the problem he is having then even better. Hell if Fang can gaurantee and send me one without that problem i'd buy it too.

Read my post prior to this..I have made it clear the HE-5 is the best ortho i have heard to date.
post #765 of 1668
Fang, i'd be more than happy to listen to itif the opportunity presents. And if proven wrong i'd be glad to make amends and post to that effect on the forums. I give credit where it is due. You have a fantastic product with the HE-5 there is no denying that. And i am glad to see so many more people being brought into the ortho fold because of it.

an excerpt from my post on a private forum
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i don't know how to tell you guys..

It seems I prefer my orthos a lot more to my stat rig.

With the souped up EHHA, the orthos give me the impact that no stat headphone seem to be able to. While the stats have superiority in other areas, orthos just seem to pul you in with their musicality.

I am pondering doing away with my entire stat rig and replace it with the two new orthos.

Listening to the Hifiman HE-5 orthos and they are hella resolving and detailed. I don't quite know if I will miss the ESP950 if I let it go. The ESP950 does sound a tad more refined albeit more subdued overall.
Bah..more listening to be done before I make such a drastic decision.
THe HE-5 really is that good. Testament to the fact that orthos can be all that they are made out to be.
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