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post #676 of 1668
Some of the very loose ortho drivers crinkle BUT the HE5 is a tensioned driver and shouldn't have this problem. Clipping would sound more like distortion than crackling. Try this - with no music play try and push on the outside of the headphone to see if you can get the driver to crinkle - if this is the problem, speak with Fang, I am sure that he would be willing to take a more serious look at the concern.

..dB

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ps tim - that recording is tilted towards the upper mids. I think you are hearing what a fast driver does to "poor" recordings, just the reality of what orthodynamics do to some music you will have in your collection. It might be accentuated by the fact that you have an HE5 variant with a high mid peak but this recording is primarily to blame
post #677 of 1668
listening to more tracks with a tilt in the mids it does seem the track is poorly recorded. dBel84 sent me another sample of a different track and no such sibilance issues on it.
post #678 of 1668
I sent tim3320070 two flac files just now through Sendspace (Cowboy Junkies and Patricia Barber). Let's see if he hears sibilance. The track he sent me had absolutely no sibilance what sosever on my HE-5's (it was a beautiful recording). So we shall see...
post #679 of 1668
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Originally Posted by immtbiker View Post
I sent tim3320070 two flac files just now through Sendspace (Cowboy Junkies and Patricia Barber). Let's see if he hears sibilance. The track he sent me had absolutely no sibilance what sosever on my HE-5's (it was a beautiful recording). So we shall see...
which CJ track ..i have a few albums with me.
post #680 of 1668
If you're on the lookout for sibilance just open the file in Audacity and look for the spikes in the freq. response while the file plays, you should see a powerful jump on the sibilant letters while the file plays. Margo has a quite sibilant voice, so you will see some energy.. my question has usually been - if its on the recording - shouldn't you be hearing it?
post #681 of 1668
Thread Starter 
Try the PS Audio PWT/PWD combination....the sibilant issues abate..glorious
post #682 of 1668
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
Try the PS Audio PWT/PWD combination....the sibilant issues abate..glorious
Hey Alan,

Been a while since you posted back..how's the new amp doing vis a vis the rest of your amps now that the novelty of a new component has probably waned?
edit: I suppose it can wait for a full blown review
How does it match with the HD-800 and HE-5?

ANy sibilance issues you've been having?
post #683 of 1668
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Originally Posted by BigTony View Post
my question has usually been - if its on the recording - shouldn't you be hearing it?
Agreed.

A_Sr.
post #684 of 1668
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Originally Posted by immtbiker View Post
The track he sent me had absolutely no sibilance what sosever on my HE-5's (it was a beautiful recording).
The track I heard was from Cara Dillon. Now granted I am on the road and am using my netbook - portable amp - non-HE5 orthos ( I have the modded YHD2 yamahas with me ) I have several PB and CJ albums on my DAP and would never consider those recordings sibilant in any way, but the Cara Dillon sounds like it would be best played to a large crowd over a PA system.

Perhaps this debate is more about what we refer to as sibilance, especially if we are all listening to the same recording?

..dB
post #685 of 1668
One thing is for sure - the question is about excessive sibilance, not sibilants. All human speech involves sibilants. What we are after here is their natural reproduction.

On *some* HD800's, there was a measurable peak about 6kHz that slightly exaggerated this, IMO. Late production HD800's did not have the same measured peak, but I did not ever get a chance to hear a later production pair.

I can detect no such problem with my HE-5. They are smoother and more laid back in the treble than my Beyer DT880's, for example.

So it's possible that we're discussing real variation between samples, or that we're discussing different expectations about sound, based on our references.

Unfortunately, only the SAME person listening to the same music on the same gear, who then listens to two samples of the HE-5, will be able to tell. Tim and I may try to pull this off since we both live in the Chicago area.
post #686 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
So it's possible that we're discussing real variation between samples, or that we're discussing different expectations about sound, based on our references.

Unfortunately, only the SAME person listening to the same music on the same gear, who then listens to two samples of the HE-5, will be able to tell. Tim and I may try to pull this off since we both live in the Chicago area.
That would be a very worthwhile test and, of course, Tim has a few weeks before he needs to return them
post #687 of 1668
That Cara Dillon track was the worst of them for sure but my D7000's and the 325is I had did not sound as sharp (sibilance does not fully describe it, it's a brightness and etch that is literally painful to my ears). There are many other albums that I cannot listen to thru the HE-5- some Lyle Lovett "Skinny Legs", Alison Kraus- "Stay" for instance sound nearly as sharp.
I will get together with Skylab and have a definitive answer on it so I can stop moaning to everyone.
post #688 of 1668
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One thing is for sure - the question is about excessive sibilance, not sibilants. All human speech involves sibilants. What we are after here is their natural reproduction.
Totally agree.
post #689 of 1668
Tim,
Do you hear excessive sibilance with the stock SE cable? I'm just trying to eliminate some of the variables between your set up and others here.
post #690 of 1668
It's slightly better with the Mogami (probably it being balanced more affects that), but the stock cable produces it too.
I tried taking the Phoenix out of my PS Audio conditioner with no effect.
Not every track I have has the issue but they all sound too bright with a large portion being intolerable.
Setup= Media Monkey (Direct output)-Bel Canto USBLink-Ref-1 (via BNC)-Phoenix (via ACSS cable). It's been this way for a while, great sounding system, just not so much with the HE-5.
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