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post #436 of 1668
jeez, i'll definitely check these out in the near future........but it's just so hard to believe that nobody prefers the HD800 to these, does anyone who has heard or owned both feel that the HD800 are in fact a better headphone all round or for certain geres such as classical or jazz etc.
post #437 of 1668
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Originally Posted by The Other Allen View Post
Found this mini review on the HE-5 by accident today:

Pay less for world's best headphone? | The Audiophiliac - CNET News
Nice to see orthos in the mainstream gadget reviews...but that person's take is quite opposite to my own on the HE-5..its anything but laidback and natural in its presentation
post #438 of 1668
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post
jeez, i'll definitely check these out in the near future........but it's just so hard to believe that nobody prefers the HD800 to these, does anyone who has heard or owned both feel that the HD800 are in fact a better headphone all round or for certain geres such as classical or jazz etc.
I'm still burning in the HE-5 with the EF5, while the HD800 are in the basement rig with my ZDT amp, so I haven't been able to compare them yet.

They sound different from each other, with the HD800 being a little more spacious and aggressive sounding and the HE-5 being a little more laid back with more bass. So, I am not picking a winner yet, but I love both.
post #439 of 1668
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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post
I'm still burning in the HE-5 with the EF5, while the HD800 are in the basement rig with my ZDT amp, so I haven't been able to compare them yet.

They sound different from each other, with the HD800 being a little more spacious and aggressive sounding and the HE-5 being a little more laid back with more bass. So, I am not picking a winner yet, but I love both.
is either superior for classical? I own a pair of R10s and I still think the HD800 serve classical better.
post #440 of 1668
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler View Post
is either superior for classical? I own a pair of R10s and I still think the HD800 serve classical better.
I think the soundstaging makes the HD800 better for classical, but the HE-5 catch up with jazz and acoustic, and maybe passes them up with rock music. I'm not decided with vocals and electronic yet.
post #441 of 1668
this is unbelievable.

I mean it would help for me save some dollars by going from the hd800 to the he5.

I'm using a headroom ultra micro dac and amp though, so I don't know- would they be able to drive the he5? To save the money should i "downgrade?"
post #442 of 1668
I just placed my order for the HE-5 and since I already own the HD800, I'll be able to compare them in my system. My amps are the SPL Phonitor and the Zana Deux SE (coming within the next week or so). Hopefully, atleast one of these amps if not both will be up to the task.
post #443 of 1668
I feel differently than Headphoneaddict about the HD800s vs. the HE5s, at least regarding aggressiveness. I find the HE5s far more aggressive than the HD800s. The HE5s (at least in the rigs I have them in) have always been very upfront, full of rich tones and PRaT! the HD800s conversely are very spacious, what some may say is a "more civilized" approach to presenting music. Think Grey Poupon.

Both are very detailed (not to a fault) but for classical, I could foresee quite a few preferring the HD800s specifically because they have a large headstage and soundstage and are tonally more neutral sounding (as usually defined around here).

For Rock, Jazz, Electronica..I could see folks leaning towards the HE5s. The key for the HE5s is that they are less than half the cost, are faster, offer more bass (quite controlled and very deep) and provide tonal and timbral accuracy that I find wanting in the HD800s. Then there is the air and shimmer in the highs that the HD800s approach but don't surpass in comparison.

Both are nice, but for a lot of folks, me included, if I had to choose between the two, money no object, i wouldn't even hesitate a thought, I would choose the HE5s. To me they sound right more often than the HD800s.
post #444 of 1668
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Originally Posted by myk7000 View Post
this is unbelievable.

I mean it would help for me save some dollars by going from the hd800 to the he5.

I'm using a headroom ultra micro dac and amp though, so I don't know- would they be able to drive the he5? To save the money should i "downgrade?"
My WA6 will adequately drive the HE-5 (as will the EF-5), and having heard the Ultra Micro Amp with Grados and HD600 I think that it will drive the HE-5 just fine.

Since davidmahler already has R10 (DO NOT SELL) then maybe the HE-5 would be just the ticket to complement them. I could probably also go without my HD800 once my Woo WES arrives, since I tend to prefer my O2 and Jade. My HD800 are very similar to my HE60 but with more bass and impact and an improved soundstage, but they have just a little bit of the etch that you get with a Stax Lambda series phone. The HE-5 adds to that bass impact while pulling the mids back a little, yet keeping all the detail of the HD800 without any etch; but it has a smaller soundstage (bigger than a Grado though). Only you can decide if the trade-off is worth it.
post #445 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Zanth View Post
I feel differently than Headphoneaddict about the HD800s vs. the HE5s, at least regarding aggressiveness. I find the HE5s far more aggressive than the HD800s. The HE5s (at least in the rigs I have them in) have always been very upfront, full of rich tones and PRaT! the HD800s conversely are very spacious, what some may say is a "more civilized" approach to presenting music. Think Grey Poupon.

Both are very detailed (not to a fault) but for classical, I could foresee quite a few preferring the HD800s specifically because they have a large headstage and soundstage and are tonally more neutral sounding (as usually defined around here).

For Rock, Jazz, Electronica..I could see folks leaning towards the HE5s. The key for the HE5s is that they are less than half the cost, are faster, offer more bass (quite controlled and very deep) and provide tonal and timbral accuracy that I find wanting in the HD800s. Then there is the air and shimmer in the highs that the HD800s approach but don't surpass in comparison.

Both are nice, but for a lot of folks, me included, if I had to choose between the two, money no object, i wouldn't even hesitate a thought, I would choose the HE5s. To me they sound right more often than the HD800s.
You posted while I was typing my last reply. I think we agree on all the other areas, based on what you and I both posted. I think the way that we feel about the aggressiveness may be me using the wrong terms.

I don't always thinks of aggressive as PRaT, and I agree the HE-5 have more PRaT. The HD800 upper mids reach out and grab you by the throat and say, "HEY look at all this detail, LOOK, isn't it wonderful!" And the HE-5 to me just seem to do it without making a big deal about it. The Mustard guys just eat it and enjoy it, but don't talk about it; the Grey Poupon guy wants you to know that's he's special enough to use it.
post #446 of 1668
Nice way of putting it and I agree. The HE5s offer a presentation and it is coherent from bottom to the top with everything getting some focus. The HD800s definitely go for a treblesque presentation and that is the emphasis. I was thinking aggressive as in that in your face rocking out type of sound. the HE5s have that, but not the HD800s

Regarding the mustard analogy, i like how you expanded on it and I agree 100%.
post #447 of 1668
I've heard actually that the HE-5 sound quite similar to a bass heavy R10, can anyone else attest to this?...... My R10 is the bass heavy, but I have also owned the Bass Light
post #448 of 1668
The HE5 had that same detail and air that I recall liking in the R10, the R10's I heard did not have the bass presence or layering that the HE5 had.

..dB
post #449 of 1668
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Originally Posted by dBel84 View Post
The HE5 had that same detail and air that I recall liking in the R10, the R10's I heard did not have the bass presence or layering that the HE5 had.

..dB
Based on what I've been reading, I doubt the HE-5 have as much bass presence as a bass-heavy R10, my one beef with the R10s that I have is that the bass eversoslightly bumped
post #450 of 1668
you may find the same with the HE5, it is not bumped in the British sense of an accentuated bass but the bass curve is slightly elevated. The difference with orthodynamic bass is that it is tight and wonderfully dimensional , it is hard not to like..dB
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