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post #376 of 1668
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Bah , integrateds get a bad wrap but I think if they are designed for the task at hand, they offer the best solution - short signal paths, compact form ( in most cases ) . Anyway, sounds like you are in the know and in good company, Harbeth's have been one of my all time favourite speakers since entering this insane hobby many moons ago.

Do let us know how it all pans out when you have had the time to process everything..dB
I couldn't hate the LFD if I tried....it makes purdy Muzak for sleepy time! I have the Harbeth C7's in listening room (1) that trade with the Vandy's Quattro's. I have a separate panel room.....
post #377 of 1668
I have never heard the LFD but suspect it has that classic mosfet sound that makes folk build ZEN behemouths or track down the original MF A1 or sudgen's when they pop up.

I am thinking that you may like the sound of the SOHA II - hybrid design but simple SE BJT output ( not that you need more amps but just as to the type of sound that you prefer ... and in that it seems we have similar inclinations. ) Just for the sake of interest, the EHHA that you hear spoken of is a transconductance tube - mosfet amp. Hell let's totally derail this thread and start discussing mosfet amps for headphones ..... hmm, I wrote this I while back for the ortho wiki ( schematics seem to have been removed - no they haven't , just linked to the wrong one) ..dB
post #378 of 1668
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The HE5, when I mentioned it was thin, I meant again, in comparison, not absolutely. I will note that the HD800s come across as quite a bit thinner sounding throughout the spectrum than the HE5 and save for the incredible space they offer they aren't my cup of tea, at least not with something like the HE5 in existence.
Yes, HE5 sounds "thin" when A/B'd against the K701, HD800 ans PS1000. In absolute terms, not at all. HE5 might be the most balanced headphone I've heard. There is no clashing or blurring, transparent (but NOT bright) throughout the spectrum (that's a hard thing to do), and sounds more spacious (to my ears) than the HD800. Now...to me, spacious means space around the performance and no fog and absolutely clear focus. It does NOT mean throwing the images into outer space. HE5 is kind of unique in that the imaging oft-times seems to be behind the head and off to the sides and not placed in front of your face. After becoming accustomed to the HE5, the HD800 bass sounded slow, bloated and dragging behind like a deer carcas behind a pickup truck...the PS1000 had a wee bit of a boom in the mid/upper bass (but the GS1000 had more impact, like live music; the drum kit was alive and kicking)....the K701 had bass. So this might mean that the HE5 lacks bass presence in the long term. I don't know. I DO know that if I had I been given the option to leave my HD800 and K701 behind and walk out of Zanth's house with the HE5, I think I'd have done it in a heartbeat. I already left the Rotel CD player behind

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I listened to some Daft Punk after Beagle left
Yeah, stick me with Holly and Oscar and wait 'till I leave to break out the good stuff!
post #379 of 1668
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Yes, HE5 sounds "thin" when A/B'd against the K701, HD800 ans PS1000. In absolute terms, not at all. HE5 might be the most balanced headphone I've heard. There is no clashing or blurring, transparent (but NOT bright) throughout the spectrum (that's a hard thing to do), and sounds more spacious (to my ears) than the HD800. Now...to me, spacious means space around the performance and no fog and absolutely clear focus. It does NOT mean throwing the images into outer space. HE5 is kind of unique in that the imaging oft-times seems to be behind the head and off to the sides and not placed in front of your face. After becoming accustomed to the HE5, the HD800 bass sounded slow, bloated and dragging behind like a deer carcas behind a pickup truck...the PS1000 had a wee bit of a boom in the mid/upper bass (but the GS1000 had more impact, like live music; the drum kit was alive and kicking)....the K701 had bass. So this might mean that the HE5 lacks bass presence in the long term. I don't know. I DO know that if I had I been given the option to leave my HD800 and K701 behind and walk out of Zanth's house with the HE5, I think I'd have done it in a heartbeat. I already left the Rotel CD player behind


Yeah, stick me with Holly and Oscar and wait 'till I leave to break out the good stuff!
Hey Legal Beagle..what amps did you and Zanth use to march the HE-5 along?
post #380 of 1668
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I have never heard the LFD but suspect it has that classic mosfet sound that makes folk build ZEN behemouths or track down the original MF A1 or sudgen's when they pop up.

I am thinking that you may like the sound of the SOHA II - hybrid design but simple SE BJT output ( not that you need more amps but just as to the type of sound that you prefer ... and in that it seems we have similar inclinations. ) Just for the sake of interest, the EHHA that you hear spoken of is a transconductance tube - mosfet amp. Hell let's totally derail this thread and start discussing mosfet amps for headphones ..... hmm, I wrote this I while back for the ortho wiki ( schematics seem to have been removed - no they haven't , just linked to the wrong one) ..dB
I would very much love to hear a SOHA II or similar circuit!!

No, not actually the "classic" Mosfet when early Engineers plopped them in existing circuits and claimed "tube-like sound". When six months had passed the complaints of "Mosfet-Mist" kept popping up. It's an aggressive yet simple circuit that, within it's parameters offers top class sonics on parr with anyone, and the unfocused slurry disappeared.
Won't drive difficult loads however, but is clean, focused and layered! And derail all you wish...you have my permission!
post #381 of 1668
I was thinking more along the lines of SE zero feedback mosfet - that deeeeep bass control which is quite unlike other amps.

While prototyping the EHHA we played around with all sorts of feedback options for the mosfets and it was an eye opener for me to see just how much you could influence overall sonic signature - ultimately i preferred a little feedback but it sounded wonderful with none too.

..dB
post #382 of 1668
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I was thinking more along the lines of SE zero feedback mosfet - that deeeeep bass control which is quite unlike other amps.

While prototyping the EHHA we played around with all sorts of feedback options for the mosfets and it was an eye opener for me to see just how much you could influence overall sonic signature - ultimately i preferred a little feedback but it sounded wonderful with none too.

..dB
Yup, a little local..no global and let the second harmonic sing.

The folks at Apuresound are running into a snag with the connectors and it might be awhile. Darn it! I might just get the phones returned and wait longer for the cable...using a bad cable is better than no phone....
post #383 of 1668
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Yes, HE5 sounds "thin" when A/B'd against the K701, HD800 ans PS1000. In absolute terms, not at all. HE5 might be the most balanced headphone I've heard. There is no clashing or blurring, transparent (but NOT bright) throughout the spectrum (that's a hard thing to do), and sounds more spacious (to my ears) than the HD800. Now...to me, spacious means space around the performance and no fog and absolutely clear focus. It does NOT mean throwing the images into outer space. HE5 is kind of unique in that the imaging oft-times seems to be behind the head and off to the sides and not placed in front of your face. After becoming accustomed to the HE5, the HD800 bass sounded slow, bloated and dragging behind like a deer carcas behind a pickup truck...the PS1000 had a wee bit of a boom in the mid/upper bass (but the GS1000 had more impact, like live music; the drum kit was alive and kicking)....the K701 had bass. So this might mean that the HE5 lacks bass presence in the long term. I don't know. I DO know that if I had I been given the option to leave my HD800 and K701 behind and walk out of Zanth's house with the HE5, I think I'd have done it in a heartbeat. I already left the Rotel CD player behind


Yeah, stick me with Holly and Oscar and wait 'till I leave to break out the good stuff!
this is exactly what i feel and hear from these headphones and they are also very very musical compared to other headphones wich i own -Senns Grados etc.this is the most complete presentation of musicality so far and makes me happy every second ,it has the sound wich i have been looking for many years and didnt find until now
post #384 of 1668
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this is exactly what i feel and hear from these headphones and they are also very very musical compared to other headphones wich i own -Senns Grados etc.this is the most complete presentation of musicality so far and makes me happy every second ,it has the sound wich i have been looking for many years and didnt find until now
That's great Thinker! I think the Future of Headphones definitely has a spot for Orthos. I have the First Watt in hand (it was delivered today) still waiting on the phones.

Can't wait to fire them up and bask in the powerful glory! I hope I have similar results with the power increase that you have had! I believe so!
post #385 of 1668
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Hey Legal Beagle..what amps did you and Zanth use to march the HE-5 along?
It was the HiFiMan EF1 (I think that's the unit #). Nice amp. Defined what was what with each headphone we used.
post #386 of 1668
....switched back yesterday to normal plug and then to balanced again to be sure what i was hearing.The HE-5 is much better when balanced -airier , headstage ,soundstage etc everything is better .
post #387 of 1668
Excellent news! Can't wait for my balanced cable to come
post #388 of 1668
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So this might mean that the HE5 lacks bass presence in the long term. I
Hi Beagle,

I know it's been a while since you've heard the HE5, but can you clarify the above or try to confirm my interpretation of it?

The HE5's bass is nice but lacks the oomph of Grado's GS/PS. Even with this "shortcoming" (some would say), it is tighter/faster than the Senn's without being "anemic". I'm not sure what to make of your 701 comment or what the long term presence of bass is.

Thanks!
post #389 of 1668
It's weird because I only hear this lack of oomph with electronic music genres that rely on the huge and long-lasting subwoofer-type of synthetic bass, such as dubstep and ambient. With these genres, some bass notes seem too distant, too quick, almost empty. However, when I switch to music with normal bass played by real instrument (acoustic or amplified), I hear no problem at all, the bass is strong, tight and well defined.

Maybe I just don't amp the HE-5 enough ? All I know is that my Stax lambda pro exhibits the same limitation (but it's probably under-amp), but the "boomy" edition 9 does not, quite the contrary.
post #390 of 1668
Ahh, thanks for the 2nd point of view. So in your experience, he probably meant long-term bass in the sense of how long it lingers.
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