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post #331 of 1668
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Originally Posted by thinker View Post
interesting...all who have heard the HE-5 with GOOD or right amplification they dont hear the peak and all who dont have heard the phone say it has the peak
Other way to see this,

those with good amplification (myself and dBel84) have a resolving enough system to bring forth the peak in the headphone and those without aren't hearing the peaks.
Krell doesn't automatically gaurantee good sound quality. They are riding on their glory from the past two decades.

In any case, to say we don't have good amplifiers to drive the HE-5 or our other headphones without even knowing anything about them is irresponsible and doesn't do justice for all 3 products, the EHHA, Stacker and HE-5.

We reported what we heard, honor it as just that instead of making broad speculations on the rest of our system or our hearing abilities and presenting it as fact.

The HE-5 is a good headphone but no where near as the holy grail you make it out to be.
post #332 of 1668
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Originally Posted by mypasswordis View Post
Sorry, but I have an extremely hard time believing this.
You have trouble believing what I hear? Dude, that has to be the most inane statement I've read in a long time. You may perceive the sound differently, but to object to what I hear? Come on now, use that organ between them there ears

Soundstage does not equal headstage btw... just fyi. Even so, the headstage is smaller than RS-1's with flats too, to my ears of course
post #333 of 1668
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Originally Posted by sachu View Post
Other way to see this,

those with good amplification (myself and dBel84) have a resolving enough system to bring forth the peak in the headphone and those without aren't hearing the peaks.
Krell doesn't automatically gaurantee good sound quality. They are riding on their glory from the past two decades.

In any case, to say we don't have good amplifiers to drive the HE-5 or our other headphones without even knowing anything about them is irresponsible and doesn't do justice for all 3 products, the EHHA, Stacker and HE-5.

We reported what we heard, honor it as just that instead of making broad speculations on the rest of our system or our hearing abilities and presenting it as fact.

The HE-5 is a good headphone but no where near as the holy grail you make it out to be.

There is a peak. I'm listening via my TT (definitely no slouch) and the EAR HP4 (1 full Watt output) and for those that may feel, nah...tubes won't do, I have the Melos here and the EF1. Anyhow, the peak is there, but better amplification does smooth it out, however, the more resolving the front-end the more apparently the peak is as well. So if my TT, no matter what amp I use, I hear it. It isn't horribly distracting in any way, but it does seem to be what I have heard often with electrostats in the past (I can't recall the Yahama that well, the only other ortho I have heard).

Still, again, for the money, the build is excellent, the sound exquisite and the speed and air is unparalleled for the money. A step up from this sound would be the ES3Xs for me, but they are 250 more and don't offer the air that these do.
post #334 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Zanth View Post
You have trouble believing what I hear? Dude, that has to be the most inane statement I've read in a long time. You may perceive the sound differently, but to object to what I hear? Come on now, use that organ between them there ears
You know what's inane? Using the "you don't hear what I hear" statement to prove you are right, and then name calling.
post #335 of 1668
I might have been the first one to compare the sound of the HE-5 to my re-cabled RS-1, as there are some similarities. I told fang in an email that I thought the pricing was right to compete with the RS-1

The HE-5 did sound noticeably more powerful on the EF1 amp than they did on my ZDT amp, while on the ZDT the HD800 were clearly better than the HE-5. But the HE-5 were even better sounding off waitrob's EHHA which also rocks with the K1000 and HD800 - so not only was the power better with the EHHA but the sound quality and soundstage beat the EF1 amp as well with the HE-5. I'd venture to say the HD800 were almost as good on the EHHA as the ZDT, and the balanced EHHA was necessary to open up the HE-5 soundstage - but it still did not approach the soundstage of my HD800 on the ZDT or EHHA.
post #336 of 1668
First, I didn't name call. I was sarcastic sure, but I not once called you anything. Please reread to increase your comprehension.

Second, look up the word inane. Using the "you don't hear what I hear" is the correct argument against your unbelief that I know what I am hearing. Listening is more often than not subjective, given the nature of the differences in curvatures of the outer ear, the number and overall sensitivity of the hairs of the epithelium, not to mention the volume and density of the liquid in the inner ear, and then we get to the temporal lobe, which is a whole other world of subjectivism.

You flat out objected to what I stated I heard. I didn't say that absolutely these headphones were X Y or Z, I merely responded to one person's remark about how they felt that the soundstage was a forte, and I in kind, responded with my opinion that I felt it was actually a weak point, and a frame of reference I used was an RS-1's with flat bads.

Your post insinuates I'm either a liar or I'm insane or both. Look up liar in the dictionary and if you are right in your interpretation of what I wrote, I either purposely put forward false information OR I misunderstand my own musings in which case I'm clinically insane. Thanks on both fronts.

If you are going to throw down insults, you best grow a thick enough skin to take any harsh responses you might get in return. I have ample experience with the RS-1's (owned them for nearly 8 years) and I've been using the HE5's non-stop for about a week now. I know which one sounds more closed in and the EAR HP4 affords me the opportunity to evaluate not one, not two, but 4 headphones nearly simultaneously because of the multiple headphones inputs. In evaluating, albeit, casually up to this point, it has been VERY apparent that the sound is closed in, both headstage-wize and soundstage-wise. The RS-1's have a small headstage but a wide soundstage. The HD800s have a large headstage AND a massive soundstage. This isn't rocket science and easy to perceive. If you with your gear and your ears and your brain, perceive something differently, then fine, not a big deal. This is a pretty open forum where just about anyone can express themselves and their opinion (exactly what this is all about) without being called a liar, either implicitly or explicitly.

Now then, back to the wonderful sound of the HE5's with their very upfront sound
post #337 of 1668
I don't get why you are so personally offended that I just happen not to believe you (I do have a right to my own opinion, as you do, right?) but I was definitely not the one to start the inflammatory comments. In fact, I'm still quite level-headed in this response to you. Here are your highly inflammatory comments:

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Originally Posted by Zanth View Post
Dude, that has to be the most inane statement I've read in a long time.
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Come on now, use that organ between them there ears
If you don't see how badly you insulted my intelligence, maybe you need to use that organ between your ears. I would think moderators shouldn't be the ones to stir **** up, no?
post #338 of 1668
I suppose you people aren't listening to exactly the same HE5.

Maybe they don't sound exactly the same?

According to the graphs of the HD800 that people have posted, not even those are all identical. I can recall numerous posts about differences in sound between cans of the same headphone model. I've heard differences myself in cans that are supposedly identical (but not in the HE5, that I haven't had the pleasure to hear.)
post #339 of 1668
Has anyone heard this phone with a beta 22? I have been following this thread but haven't seen any such impressions. I know that it has enough power, but how about synergy?
post #340 of 1668
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Originally Posted by DefectiveAudioComponent View Post
I suppose you people aren't listening to exactly the same HE5.

Maybe they don't sound exactly the same?

According to the graphs of the HD800 that people have posted, not even those are all identical. I can recall numerous posts about differences in sound between cans of the same headphone model. I've heard differences myself in cans that are supposedly identical (but not in the HE5, that I haven't had the pleasure to hear.)
It is very possible to have variability within the model, not to mention the differences in associated gear, ears, brain etc.

But if we were to go on hardware alone, are these handmade drivers? That would be an interesting detail.
post #341 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Zanth View Post
are these handmade drivers?
I believe so - the audeze drivers are.

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Originally Posted by mypasswordis View Post
The modded LCD1 I heard definitely had smaller headstage than the HE5.
I find the headstage of orthos in general to be very good - pinpoint instrument placement , a sense of air / space around instruments and attention to the microdetail, thus far very few headphones achieve this with as much "dexterity" as planars. The LCD1 had both good headstage and soundstage before I damped them. The damping reduces soundstage primarily and improves focus in the headstage.



..dB
post #342 of 1668
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Originally Posted by tintin47 View Post
Has anyone heard this phone with a beta 22? I have been following this thread but haven't seen any such impressions. I know that it has enough power, but how about synergy?
You could extrapolate that it should sound good with the HE5 from the fact that people like the donuts and original T50 with the B22.

..dB
post #343 of 1668
That makes a lot of sense. Kind of like what you were wrestling with in the T50v1, flat frequency response vs. soundstage.
post #344 of 1668
zigactly ..dB
post #345 of 1668
Even the vaunted HD800 have some variability in models - some with a notable peak at 6Khz - some without.

I hear no treble peak AT ALL in my HE-5.

I also think the SS is pretty good - not as good as the HD800, but very good.
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