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post #196 of 1668
Thanks dBel84,
as far as i know there excist only 20 units of this headphone and i am maybe at this moment the only person who has balanced them and run them with enough power.
The Krell/He-5 combo has no sibilant edge or uncontrolled bass rather its the most
balanced ever presentation.I have the Stax 02 HD-800 and Grado 1000 for comparison.
My greatest "concern" with these headphones is that you have to connect them with
highest quality components wich are affordable.I speak only for myself ,insane Krell
combo with CAST connections i guarantee that the HE-5 blows everything away.Only time will tell when more individuals test them balanced and properly amped.
post #197 of 1668
I agree, ortho's in general need and respond to a lot of power. Perhaps sibilant was the wrong descriptor - there is a high frequency peak which pierces on certain music. It is not a smudging or "cone" breakup making the upper range slur but what I perceive as some imbalance. I don't have krell monoblocks but have not experienced this with any of the other orthodynamics I own or have had in my possession.

I thought I would post a few images for non-orthoheads to explain what I meant by lack of trace complexity.

HE5 with the pad off



HE5 driver close-up



Original HE5 from CanJam



Vintage ortho drivers

Yamaha YH1000 and HP50



Fostex T20



NAP RP18



T50



Wharfedale ID2



Akai ASE-50




I really have no idea what this means other than the HE5 are a much simpler driver than the vintage examples. It is good news for anyone who wishes to try and make their own drivers as this has always been the major obstacle with such an endeavour.

I will leave you all in peace to discuss the sonic virtues of the HE5

..dB
post #198 of 1668
Nice set of photos dBel. I really like some of those old diaphragms, to me they are like artwork.
post #199 of 1668
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MUCHO Thanks dBel84 for the Ortho history lesson. I don't think you and Sachu with other's will have to hold the fringe fort down for us on these any longer. The word is out!

The lack of control of the bottom octaves I have observed also, but some damping might be the ticket huh? Good news! I think that, with adding some oomph, might bring them to Climax (Freudian)!

Has me wondering about the Audeze...I think it was Sachu mentioning that the LCD-2 was being fine tuned and being made ready for Market. He had mentioned the damping specifically on those as a particular focus. Will we be ready for them? Yup, I hope so!
post #200 of 1668
I too look forward to the LCD2 - Audeze have been listening to the ortho-mob's grumblings and have a driver that is both complex and well damped. I cannot make any judgements as I have yet to hear them but there was a comment from RMAF that described them as "faster" and I suspect this will be true - hence all the microdetail will really shine and no fluff in the lower registers. I just plugged them in again and compared the bottom octaves to the lowly T10 (fostex's baby) and the T10 pulls it off without batting an eye while the HE5 start to lose it. ( and it is not my amp - edit , not if these are truly 30 ohm )


another edit - BTW I am not disparaging these headphones at all. Overall I think they are one of the best headphones I have heard and their performance as a whole is better than any of the headphones in my collection. I just feel they are not optimal.


..dB
post #201 of 1668
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
Did you hear from Drew? Is that the correct no.?
Drew is still figuring it out, so no word on it. Maybe Fang can add extra connectors to my order?
post #202 of 1668
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dBel84 View Post
I too look forward to the LCD2 - Audeze have been listening to the ortho-mob's grumblings and have a driver that is both complex and well damped. I cannot make any judgements as I have yet to hear them but there was a comment from RMAF that described them as "faster" and I suspect this will be true - hence all the microdetail will really shine and no fluff in the lower registers. I just plugged them in again and compared the bottom octaves to the lowly T10 (fostex's baby) and the T10 pulls it off without batting an eye while the HE5 start to lose it. ( and it is not my amp - edit , not if these are truly 30 ohm )

..dB
I used to have two of the three board single-ended Beta's. I sold one and boosted the gain of the second to cover what came down the road. It ran into these and cried Uncle, Aunt and Grannie Uncle. Do you indulge in the Classic genre? That is when problems developed, the large dynamic swings couldn't unfold as naturally as the HD800 as example. They wanted to...sooo badly but just compressed and hardened and became brittle. The Amp found it easy to bunch up and reveal head-bumping flat-spots in it's character that it hadn't before.

Same with Headcode...same, same with Dynalo..etc.

I don't want to re-calibrate amps for a phone or series of new phones!

Snagged the First Watt (yippee!) Traded with the Edge G-6 (never liked actually).

hmmm?? A poser!!
post #203 of 1668
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post
Drew is still figuring it out, so no word on it. Maybe Fang can add extra connectors to my order?
Never hurts to ask...squeaky wheel gets the grease!
post #204 of 1668
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
I used to have two of the three board single-ended Beta's. I sold one and boosted the gain of the second to cover what came down the road. It ran into these and cried Uncle, Aunt and Grannie Uncle. Do you indulge in the Classic genre? That is when problems developed, the large dynamic swings couldn't unfold as naturally as the HD800 as example. They wanted to...sooo badly but just compressed and hardened and became brittle. The Amp found it easy to bunch up and reveal head-bumping flat-spots in it's character that it hadn't before.

Same with Headcode...same, same with Dynalo..etc.

I don't want to re-calibrate amps for a phone or series of new phones!

Snagged the First Watt (yippee!) Traded with the Edge G-6 (never liked actually).

hmmm?? A poser!!

Ok, the doubt has now been entitled in me. Are these headphones including the price of decent amplification worth the premium over say... dt880 600 ohm or hd600?
post #205 of 1668
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Ok, the doubt has now been entitled in me. Are these headphones including the price of decent amplification worth the premium over say... dt880 600 ohm or hd600?
With either the Beyer or Sennheiser you have mentioned, you can power them well with a relatively inexpensive Tube amp and be satisfied (Woo Audio WA6 recommended). A Solid-State to power either, with the impedance value of the Headphones, you would need to spend more money to do it adequately. That is unless your handy with kit building (M3 ex.)

Search the Headphone section and look for the amount of recommendations for "How to power the Sennheiser 6XX". It will make your eye's blurry!

What Music is your preference? What gear do you have already? What playback types (gear) have you experienced thus far? How loud do you listen?
post #206 of 1668
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Originally Posted by achristilaw View Post
With either the Beyer or Sennheiser you have mentioned, you can power them well with a relatively inexpensive Tube amp and be satisfied (Woo Audio WA6 recommended). A Solid-State to power either, with the impedance value of the Headphones, you would need to spend more money to do it adequately. That is unless your handy with kit building (M3 ex.)

Search the Headphone section and look for the amount of recommendations for "How to power the Sennheiser 6XX". It will make your eye's blurry!

What Music is your preference? What gear do you have already? What playback types (gear) have you experienced thus far? How loud do you listen?
Listen at low volumes, all I own right now are ath-ad7000s which I am not happy with due to lack of bass. No amp or DAC other than my computer. I listen to everything, with an emphasis on more modern, but also old stuff. Indie, rock, electronic, experimental, dubstep, classical, jazz, Afro-pop, folk, twee, lo-fi, classic rock, kraut rock, ambient.... I try to listen to some music from every genre but as the music gets older it gets listened to less and less. i.e. Clasical/Opera is probably my least played genre. My ideal phone can handle everything. I cannot DIY, I was thinking of buying an M3 though...
post #207 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Silenced View Post
Listen at low volumes, all I own right now are ath-ad7000s which I am not happy with due to lack of bass. No amp or DAC other than my computer. I listen to everything, with an emphasis on more modern, but also old stuff. Indie, rock, electronic, experimental, dubstep, classical, jazz, Afro-pop, folk, twee, lo-fi, classic rock, kraut rock, ambient.... I try to listen to some music from every genre but as the music gets older it gets listened to less and less. i.e. Clasical/Opera is probably my least played genre. My ideal phone can handle everything. I cannot DIY, I was thinking of buying an M3 though...
Before you spend any money on cans, you need to get a good amp. Your computer soundcard, no matter how robust, isn't going to make any headphone sound its best. If you're primarily a rock guy and don't want to put a lot of $$$ into your amplification, you will find bliss with the Denon D7000. You can get a good basic solid state desktop amp and be completely happy with the results. Trust me on this one.
post #208 of 1668
I think the poster might have meant the Audio Technica ath-ad700s rather than Denon D7000s, especially since they commented on a lack of bass...
post #209 of 1668
Thread Starter 
Yeah, The AT doesn't need an amp as much as the other offerings on the list.
Use the search function in the areas of development (Amps, Phones etc.) for doing the research and start to gather opinions. Caveat Emptor on the Gear choices you make. Mr. Woof mentioned dealers that allow refunds or exchanges for gear. Todd the Vinyl Junkie (TTJV) is one such dealer that ANYTHING you buy has a 30 day return from date of receipt. That's handy and I have used it more than a few times for gear trails and errors.

Use the For sale forums, your gear doesn't have to be new to be good!

I don't share many (if any) of your Musical interests, but fidelity is of interest to all of us.

I'll P.M. you..I have a nice amp to get you started!
post #210 of 1668
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I think the poster might have meant the Audio Technica ath-ad700s rather than Denon D7000s, especially since they commented on a lack of bass...
I was pretty sure he meant the ATs, but no can is going to sound anywhere near its potential with that kind of amplification. You can get one of those Audio GD amps for low $$$ and be perfectly happy.
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