I guess I might be tainted from when I first unboxed my headphones. I know that everybody says they are a real bargain at $600, but they look like $100-150 homemade headphones when inspecting them. The way the headphone band stitching isn't straight, the metal grate doesn't meet the wood in a flush manner, the cable might be high quality but it looks like a joke with the shrinkwrap around the connectors, etc, etc. In retrospect, my HD600 or D5000 were a lot cheaper headphones (half price almost) and definately felt like luxury products that were solidly engineered. Part of my guess is that they are more mass produced than the HE-5s, but it feels like too many corners were cut, resulting in a headphone that doesn't feel anywhere near a $600 (luxury priced) headphone. I know that many are comparing this to the new trend of $1000+ headphones and see them as a bargain, but on their own, they just don't seem impressive.