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post #1051 of 1668
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post
I had every intent of keeping these phones, I didn't buy them to audition them and if Fang thinks they're extra bright, then maybe something was wrong with them. I don't have any more feedback from him on it yet.
If a seller can't afford to have a trial period, then just have a simple warranty for defects without a trial period.
There is no doubt about that - you wouldn't have trucked all the way over to my place to compare your pair to mine if you weren't really interested in keeping them!
post #1052 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Nankai View Post
An insteresting pdf file

Made in China, Shenzhen area

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Fantastic. Hell if that isn't prettier than where I live.

Of course I'd hope it wouldn't take law to treat workers well, but it's great there is some. Thanks for the quick and accurate response!

If you do go back in the near future, pics of the manufacturing facility would be awesome.

Thanks again!
post #1053 of 1668
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post
I had every intent of keeping these phones, I didn't buy them to audition them and if Fang thinks they're extra bright, then maybe something was wrong with them. I don't have any more feedback from him on it yet.
If a seller can't afford to have a trial period, then just have a simple warranty for defects without a trial period.
Hi Tim, It seems that you are taking my statement personally, and I tried to head that off so you wouldn't think that I was saying that you were being abusive, by writing (written a while back):

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Originally Posted by immtbiker View Post
...and Tim, I know this has been brought up before in TTVJ and Headroom threads announcing new products, and I know that you've had some issues with sibilance in a sibilant world, but it upsets me every time someone brings up a 30 day return policy. I know your specific instance called for a return or exchange, but every time that someone posts "don't worry about it, you have a 30 day refund" doesn't really take into effect how much this hurts a manufacturer or distributor, when this policy is abused.
I know that you had a real problem with your set and that was just cause for returning or exchanging them. I was referring to multiple threads, dating back to 2002, where people callously chimed in, and stated "just send them back that's what the return policy is for". People are supposed to do their research and go to meets and other members houses to try things before they plunk down their hard earned cash.
If they are not able to hear the headphones before buying them, then unfortunately, they are taking a big chance based upon what they read on audio sites.

You had a specific problem. None of what I said, relates to you or your actions. It was a blanket statement to all.
If I was lucky enough to start a business, and put everything that I had into into it, including borrowed money, it would be devastating to me, if people were abusing the "return" policy, rather than using it for what it's their for. If someone is truly unhappy with their purchase, then excercise the program. But some people use it, to try every headphone they can, return all they don't want and then keep one.
This hurts the small time businessman badly (imagine if it was you or I) and ruins it for the rest of us.

Again, none of this was said with you in mind. This has been going on for years and I wanted to bring about an awareness, that's all.
post #1054 of 1668
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Of course I'd hope it wouldn't take law to treat workers well, but it's great there is some.
Wishful thinking...everywhere in the world, it takes legislation to treat workers well--including North America. Human nature and the objectives of business/profit does not vary by cultural or geographical differences.

It's noon Christmas Eve, my HE-5/EF5 are not here (more wishful thinking), but they are in the tracking system. Hoping to see them before the new year.
post #1055 of 1668
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Originally Posted by champ View Post
Wishful thinking...everywhere in the world, it takes legislation to treat workers well--including North America. Human nature and the objectives of business/profit does not vary by cultural or geographical differences.

It's noon Christmas Eve, my HE-5/EF5 are not here (more wishful thinking), but they are in the tracking system. Hoping to see them before the new year.
Of course. That's why I hope.
post #1056 of 1668
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Originally Posted by champ View Post
Wishful thinking...everywhere in the world, it takes legislation to treat workers well--including North America. Human nature and the objectives of business/profit does not vary by cultural or geographical differences.

It's noon Christmas Eve, my HE-5/EF5 are not here (more wishful thinking), but they are in the tracking system. Hoping to see them before the new year.
I agree, but I kind of regret making that comment. Let's just get back to the HE-5 and give Fang the benifit of the doubt, after all he is not churning out cheap plastic toys.
post #1057 of 1668
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Originally Posted by champ View Post
Wishful thinking...everywhere in the world, it takes legislation to treat workers well--including North America. Human nature and the objectives of business/profit does not vary by cultural or geographical differences.

It's noon Christmas Eve, my HE-5/EF5 are not here (more wishful thinking), but they are in the tracking system. Hoping to see them before the new year.
Sigh. One can hope. I have my HE-5 but my EF-5 left China over a week ago and USPS lost it for 5 days and consequently it is still not here...
post #1058 of 1668
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Originally Posted by somestranger26 View Post
Sigh. One can hope. I have my HE-5 but my EF-5 left China over a week ago and USPS lost it for 5 days and consequently it is still not here...
USPS?
post #1059 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Raez View Post
USPS?
United States Postal Service; EMS passes it off to them after reaching the US.
post #1060 of 1668
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Originally Posted by Raez View Post
USPS?
Yes, USPS. It took 5 days for it to "show up" in San Francisco after leaving China which I will blame on USPS since it happened within US borders.
post #1061 of 1668
My pair arrived today. I got my tracking number on the 17th, and, as I suspected, on the EMS form it showed they were posted on the 22nd, with my address written by hand and Hifiman's address printed. 3 days for the actual shipping is as fast as you can get, but I'm lucky that Xmas isn't a holiday in China, nor in Japan.

My initial impression is, so far so good. I can understand why Fang is worried about brightness, as they are a little peaky out of the box. I'll rig up a balanced cable with my spare APS one shortly to see what they are, at least initially, capable of. I can immediately hear why they, and orthos in general have such a good reputation though
post #1062 of 1668


I received my HE5 and EF5 on Monday, 12/14. I have been feeding the combo music using an old Philips DVD player since and they have logged a tad over 255 hours in addition to the 20 hours of burn-in at the factory in China. During the 255 I fed different types of music and I varied the volume from very low listening to about Noon on the volume control (could be heard across room and sometimes in the living room). I did listen to them on and off during the burn-in and there was change (small as compare to other headphones) from start to finish but I found it very hard to hear any difference from day to day. Today I moved the unit to the main rack and it is being fed apple lossless files from my Dell PC using a Chaintech AV710 via an optical cable from Blue Jean Cable. The DAC is a Monarchy NM24 powered via a Monarchy Audio AC Re-generator and the IC are SILVER SONIC BL-1 I got on sale from Moon Audio via Audiogon.

The headphone is indeed very comfortable and the EF5 in low gain has plenty of power to drive the HE5. I find I have the volume at about 8 o'clock and that is plenty loud for me. Before I get into the sound I will describe a couple of minor issues I have with the rig.

1. The single ended cable is too short, IMO it should be at least 3 meters long. I have spoken about this with Fang and he indicated that after the Chinese new year they will be offering a longer cable and a balanced one. If this becomes a reality it will be a nice additions. BTW the stock cable is flexible enough and I like the red dot on the termination (headphone end) to help old farts like me with poor eyesight.

2. The hard plastic feet used on both the amp and psu are abysmal. The amp is way to close to the surface below and it transfers a lot of heat, plus by not having an air space the amp retains some of the heat instead of getting read of it. I would suggest placing rubber feet which provide at least a 1/2" or 5/8" of air gap. Besides a rubber feet will assist in preventing the amp from sliding when you attempt to insert the 1/4" plug.

3. Place small rubber grommets on all of the 4 screws on the plexiglass cover. This grommets would create an air gap which would assist in ventilating the amp, which like the EF1 gets quite warm.

4. Ditch the "tube protection" it IMO detracts from the amp, makes swapping tubes harder than it should, and retains heat.

As you can see in ergonomics my four "issues" are quite minimal and with the exception of the longer cable are quite easy to DIY a solution.

For sound impressions I will adding them to this thread as time goes on. It will not be a review but more of thoughts and ideas as a result of the music (mostly jazz) I listen too. For now I can say:

1. I do not hear any shrillness metallic sound in the top end as some have reported. It is energetic and it has a great extension but what I hear is clean and detailed. BTW, being 51 YO may be the reason I do not hear some of the treble issues reported by the younger listeners.
2. Bass is strong and like the treble it extends low. The low mids are very detailed as well and I do not hear any muddiness.
3. The mids are clear with long decay to the notes. Very easy to hear when a note starts/ends, the hi-hat sounds fantastic like it is being played in front of you.
4. I find the overall sound very life like with a fast presentation.

Based on the four bullets above you may think I really like the combo. The truth is the jury is still out. For some reason I do not find the combo as involving as the K501, RS-1, or the MarkL modded Denons. The individual elements of the presentation are extremely good, yet the sum of the parts do not bring to my face the smile the other cans do. Perhaps additional burn-in is needed, or I need to get used to their presentation.

I do want to like the combo because at times I can hear great sounds from it. But if it remain un-involving then I will have to re-think if I keep them or not. On a side note my wife who has excellent hearing really liked the combo and preferred to the MarkL modded Denons. More to come after I log another 50 to 150 hours of additional burn-in.
post #1063 of 1668
Anyone have an idea as to whether an Eddie Current EC/SS has enough juice for these bad boys.
post #1064 of 1668
1. The single ended cable is too short, IMO it should be at least 3 meters long. If this becomes a reality it will be a nice additions. BTW the stock cable is flexible enough and I like the red dot on the termination (headphone end) to help old farts like me with poor eyesight.[/QUOTE]

I had mentioned to Fang, that the cable needs to be a foot or 2 longer.
I am in the process of working with Lee and Craig on creating a TWag aftermarket cable for the HE-5's (which they are doing) and made it very clear to add the 22-24 inch's t the cable. This should take care of any sibilance that some members are hearing, plus, make this a world class headphone well worth it's price (including the price of the cable.
If people can shell out $300 for a $1400 headphone, the that price of the HE-5's cable should be no problem
I will write a review comparing the OEM and TWag cable. I am assuming the addition of the TWag cable that this should cause an increase in at least 50 - 100 HE-5's for people sitting on the fences and a lot more smiles in the headphone world. A win -win situation for all of those involved.

Nice comments, Miguel. They are spot on.
post #1065 of 1668
After a few hours of listening, I've fairly nailed down the sonic signature, which is summary is: Somewhat bass-y, reminding me a bit of HF-2s, but with roll-off at the deep end, but not excessively so; a treble peak or peaks somewhere in the 6-10k range and recessed, but lovely mids. This makes them tuned, IMO, for a fun sound. My HD-800s sound mid-forward in comparison. Ideally, I'd wish for them to be a tiny bit more flat tonally.
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