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post #256 of 498

So... 6 moons updated their review http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/antelope/zodiac_3.html  .  Not entirely sure how I feel about 6 moons in general, but compared to the Weiss DAC2/Minerva he says "the Plus already beats it on features, soundstaging, harmonic finesse and price. Where it still takes second place is on body and bass heft."  I haven't found myself wanting more bass impact thus far, but I've never heard the DAC2 and I've only really been using it to power headphones so far.  Honestly I haven't really been listening that critically, comparing it to my other dacs and such at this point, as I am still pretending like I am burning it in.  However, it is obvious to me when I do listen, that it is better than my other DACs.  Not by a small margin either (to my ears).  Again, I don't have a Weiss or Audio-GD or the like to compare it to, but I guess that will come next... maybe.  I might build an amp in the mean time.

post #257 of 498

Interesting read....been waiting to see what he says.  It seems that near the beginning of trying the Antelope he was swapping around amps and such.  I personally feel impact/slam typically is a factor of your amplifiers power, but we shall see with an upgraded Zodiac+ power supply.  I get the impression he feels it beats the Weis DAC2 for the most part, which is quite a compliment.  I have not noticed any lack of "body" or "impact", in fact I thought it was pretty nice/natural in that respect.  Out of the headphone outs alone I get plenty of body for my liking, and out of the V181 it is even more impact/body/slam.  My studio speakers also have plenty of "body/impact" from using the Zodiac+.  He comments positively on timing/soundstage/air, I would agree with these points, and go further to say it is on-point and not artificial in any way.  I am currently using a firewire interface (Saffire Pro 24 dsp) --> coaxial/digital --> Antelope.  I have the Saffire powered from the wall and the power pin disabled in my firewire cable (via 4pin to 6pin adapter).  I still need to try the usb direct from computer to the Antelope.  It will be quite interesting to see if there are any changes with an improved power supply.  
 

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So... 6 moons updated their review http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/antelope/zodiac_3.html  .  Not entirely sure how I feel about 6 moons in general, but compared to the Weiss DAC2/Minerva he says "the Plus already beats it on features, soundstaging, harmonic finesse and price. Where it still takes second place is on body and bass heft."  I haven't found myself wanting more bass impact thus far, but I've never heard the DAC2 and I've only really been using it to power headphones so far.  Honestly I haven't really been listening that critically, comparing it to my other dacs and such at this point, as I am still pretending like I am burning it in.  However, it is obvious to me when I do listen, that it is better than my other DACs.  Not by a small margin either (to my ears).  Again, I don't have a Weiss or Audio-GD or the like to compare it to, but I guess that will come next... maybe.  I might build an amp in the mean time.


 

Dukja,

 

In regards to versus the Reference 5, I feel the Antelope Zodiac+ gives a more accurate representation of the music/recording and is just on another level above.  The Ref5 was making my overall presentation warm (tested on studio monitors as well as headphones), but it is still a great dac, especially if you are one who is just looking to enjoy every single recording (despite quality) in your collection.  Ultimately with the Ref5 in place, this is what I found was happening.  I typically associate this with adding warmth or having less treble energy overall.  With the Antelope in place I feel I just have a great natural representation of each recording, portrayed with precision and finesse.  

 

I can't speak on the other audio-gd DACS as I have only in depth experience with the Ref5.


Edited by TigzStudio - 10/14/10 at 1:33pm
post #258 of 498

Many thanks for taking time to share your impression. It certainly raise my interest on this Zondiac DAC according to your description.  Please share more as you get familiar with its sound.  Thanks!

 

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In regards to versus the Reference 5, I feel the Antelope Zodiac+ gives a more accurate representation of the music/recording and is just on another level above.  The Ref5 was making my overall presentation warm (tested on studio monitors as well as headphones), but it is still a great dac, especially if you are one who is just looking to enjoy every single recording (despite quality) in your collection.  Ultimately with the Ref5 in place, this is what I found was happening.  I typically associate this with adding warmth or having less treble energy overall.  With the Antelope in place I feel I just have a great natural representation of each recording, portrayed with precision and finesse.  

 

I can't speak on the other audio-gd DACS as I have only in depth experience with the Ref5.

post #259 of 498

Seeing that the Antelope Zodiac+ is being compared to the Weiss DAC2/Minerva, would it be correct to assume that the Zodiac Gold will be a rival to the Weiss DAC202 Firewire?

That's the shootout I'm looking forward to.

post #260 of 498

Maybe... but I think it's closer to the Zodiac+/Zodiac gold being analogous to the DAC2/Minerva more than to the DAC2/DAC202 but I could be wrong.  Who knows how much they are really changing the analog output section in the gold, besides the stepped attenuator.  Also just looking at price the Zodiac+ is $2.5k, the gold is $3.5k. (I believe the $1k for 384khz usb, stepped attenuator, remote && possibly power supply or other unknown changes,) the DAC2 is $3k, the Minerva was $5k and was practically identical to the DAC2 besides the face plate/buttons, while the DAC202 is an entirely new design and costs $6.5k... more than double the DAC2.  Not really sure if the prices maintain the same kind of breakdown overseas.

post #261 of 498
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Maybe... but I think it's closer to the Zodiac+/Zodiac gold being analogous to the DAC2/Minerva more than to the DAC2/DAC202 but I could be wrong.  Who knows how much they are really changing the analog output section in the gold, besides the stepped attenuator.  Also just looking at price the Zodiac+ is $2.5k, the gold is $3.5k. (I believe the $1k for 384khz usb, stepped attenuator, remote && possibly power supply or other unknown changes,) the DAC2 is $3k, the Minerva was $5k and was practically identical to the DAC2 besides the face plate/buttons, while the DAC202 is an entirely new design and costs $6.5k... more than double the DAC2.  Not really sure if the prices maintain the same kind of breakdown overseas.

 

Indeed, at the moment we only have cost as a benchmark to grade performance (something I hesitant to do, for many reasons) until we, that being someone who can get these babies together and do some form of comparative review. 

 

I was tempted to throw the REF-7 and NFB-7 into the mix, but thought better of it.

 

In England the Weiss DAC202 costs £4600 which is $7171

The Zodiac+ is $3691
 

post #262 of 498

I am kind of implying that the Zodiac + and the Gold are likely to be largely the same, ala DAC2/Minerva.  While the 202 is completely redesigned from the 2...

 

That said who knows, maybe they will completely redo the analog section in the gold?

 

I'd like to compare any of them myself but the gold and base Zodiac models aren't even out yet and frankly I'm unwilling to drop 6 to 7k on a dac at the moment.

post #263 of 498

Any news of your power supply?  I ordered one as well but have not received a tracking number or anything yet.  Not too worried about it as I know they had to order connectors but I'm curious.

post #264 of 498
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Any news of your power supply?  I ordered one as well but have not received a tracking number or anything yet.  Not too worried about it as I know they had to order connectors but I'm curious.



Cool!  So you ordered from Welborne Labs as well?  They told me they needed to order the connector as well and that it should only take a couple of days....what day did your order yours?  Seems like maybe it is taking them longer then they thought to get the connector perhaps.  I currently have gotten no word on when it will ship.  

post #265 of 498

Yeah I ordered it on Thursday.  I got the impression that they had maybe only ordered the one connector for you and were possibly ordering several more since they got more people interested in the Zodiac psu recently.

post #266 of 498

Completely unrelated to the Zodiac but you made a bunch of cables for your LCD2 right?  I think they said it was okay for you to discuss if you were directly asked about them and not just extolling the virtues of your own cables to sell them.  I think you went with occ copper (looks like DHC?) over the mogami copper or hga silver cable or is that wrong?  Did you try any occ silver?  I have made a few cables myself but uh thinking of making more to try.  Probably not gonna bother making any more solid core cables though as the one I did make is a bit too stiff for my liking.

post #267 of 498

Answered via PM. smily_headphones1.gif

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Completely unrelated to the Zodiac but you made a bunch of cables for your LCD2 right?  I think they said it was okay for you to discuss if you were directly asked about them and not just extolling the virtues of your own cables to sell them.  I think you went with occ copper (looks like DHC?) over the mogami copper or hga silver cable or is that wrong?  Did you try any occ silver?  I have made a few cables myself but uh thinking of making more to try.  Probably not gonna bother making any more solid core cables though as the one I did make is a bit too stiff for my liking.

 

In other news, my Welborne Labs power supply shipped today!  I will let you know when it arrives.  
 

post #268 of 498

How is this owen clock working to reduce jitter? - do you have a picture from a spectrum analyzer to show us?

 

I mean this 129dB Dynamic Range box is for music right?

 

I have 3 children, a wife and an owen. Is it possible using the different parts to reduce jitter at home, and get above the usual 60dB?

post #269 of 498

Serious question or are you just poking fun? tongue.gif

 

I believe if you stuffed your wife and kids in your oven it would indeed reduce the SNR of your real life by a great deal.

post #270 of 498

A lot of audio companies use marketing and hype, but in the case of Antelope they back up every last ounce of it with a quality product and imo the best DAC I have heard in my 10+ years of trying lots of stuff out there.  The Zodiac+ speaks for itself, if you ever get a chance to demo one you will definitely understand my passion for the unit.  

 

 

Also, a simple search in google will tell you what an oven controlled clock can do.

 

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Originally Posted by krumme View Post

How is this owen clock working to reduce jitter? - do you have a picture from a spectrum analyzer to show us?

 

I mean this 129dB Dynamic Range box is for music right?

 

I have 3 children, a wife and an owen. Is it possible using the different parts to reduce jitter at home, and get above the usual 60dB?

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