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post #631 of 1712
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Originally Posted by rosgr63 View Post
Pleased you sorted it out Steve, on Mac the driver is 32bit/192kHz.
Can you verify that?
Only that Audio MIDI says that. I have no way of testing this.

Steve N.
post #632 of 1712
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Originally Posted by audioengr View Post
Only that Audio MIDI says that. I have no way of testing this.

Steve N.
OK thanks, I wonder why the driver isn't 24bit but 32bit as the hiface output is 24bit anyway.
post #633 of 1712
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OK thanks, I wonder why the driver isn't 24bit but 32bit as the hiface output is 24bit anyway.
Odd, maybe it needs to be to accept that material to downsample and play it back.
post #634 of 1712
Does anybody has the change to check these 24bit 192khz Digital | Diy HiFi Supply it's like Musiland Monitor 01 on esteroids, the price is high but looks promising.
post #635 of 1712
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Does anybody has the change to check these 24bit 192khz Digital | Diy HiFi Supply it's like Musiland Monitor 01 on esteroids, the price is high but looks promising.
Manufacturers like Musiland should put out converters that avoid the need of a USB cable.
A USB cable is another element in the chain that alters SQ and good USB cables are expensive.
A pimped up Hi-Face with a PS mod would be nice though.
post #636 of 1712
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Originally Posted by punk_guy182 View Post
Manufacturers like Musiland should put out converters that avoid the need of a USB cable.
A USB cable is another element in the chain that alters SQ and good USB cables are expensive.
A pimped up Hi-Face with a PS mod would be nice though.
Couldn't agree more, I hope somebody if not hiface can do that.
BTW Marco told me they have something in the pipeline, but won't reveal more until he has something up and running.
I hope it works out for them.
post #637 of 1712
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Originally Posted by JulioCat2 View Post
Does anybody has the change to check these 24bit 192khz Digital | Diy HiFi Supply it's like Musiland Monitor 01 on esteroids, the price is high but looks promising.
The unit looks interesting (Morello USB-SPDIF 24bit/192khz Enabler - Level 3 | Diy HiFi Supply) and seems to be a nice upgrade over the stock Musiland.
However, since Empirical Audio is coming out shortly with an Off Ramp based on the m2tech hiface, I think that it will probably be a better solution. The Musiland seems to have a weakness in the way it generates 44.1 frequency while the Hiface has 2 dedicated clocks : one for the 44.1 multiples and another for the 48 multiples.
post #638 of 1712
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Originally Posted by punk_guy182 View Post
Manufacturers like Musiland should put out converters that avoid the need of a USB cable.
A USB cable is another element in the chain that alters SQ and good USB cables are expensive.
A pimped up Hi-Face with a PS mod would be nice though.
Pick your poison, I would rather have a USB cable than a SPDIF cable, especially if the converter is using a proper power supply (ie not USB +5V).
post #639 of 1712
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Originally Posted by punk_guy182 View Post
Manufacturers like Musiland should put out converters that avoid the need of a USB cable.
A USB cable is another element in the chain that alters SQ and good USB cables are expensive.
A pimped up Hi-Face with a PS mod would be nice though.
Not so. In this case the USB interface is async mode, so the USB cable has little effect. I'm using a 16-foot $5 USB cable with excellent results.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
post #640 of 1712
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Originally Posted by slim.a View Post
The unit looks interesting (Morello USB-SPDIF 24bit/192khz Enabler - Level 3 | Diy HiFi Supply) and seems to be a nice upgrade over the stock Musiland.
However, since Empirical Audio is coming out shortly with an Off Ramp based on the m2tech hiface, I think that it will probably be a better solution. The Musiland seems to have a weakness in the way it generates 44.1 frequency while the Hiface has 2 dedicated clocks : one for the 44.1 multiples and another for the 48 multiples.

Precisely why I chose it.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
post #641 of 1712
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Originally Posted by audioengr View Post
Precisely why I chose it.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Cool. Interesting.

What's being done to the original m2tech?
post #642 of 1712
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Originally Posted by audioengr View Post
Not so. In this case the USB interface is async mode, so the USB cable has little effect. I'm using a 16-foot $5 USB cable with excellent results.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Steve, how can we know if a USB interface is async so we can save on the USB cable?
post #643 of 1712
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Originally Posted by tosehee View Post
Cool. Interesting.

What's being done to the original m2tech?
First, these use M2Tech USB technology, but are not HiFace. Second, they have these features:

1) The first version starts with the Pace-Car:
http://www.empiricalaudio.com/images...ar/pacecar.jpg

2) USB is galvanically isolated (this can only be done in a Pace-Car type reclocker to avoid adding jitter)

3) optimum master clock frequencies - best for sound quality and critical for I2S

4) auto switching of clocks for different sample rates - 44.1, 88.2, 96, 176 and 192

5) Word-clock output is automatically switched for different sample-rates

6) still maintains full functionality of original Pace-Car for use in Mode 1, 2 and 3. Inputs are USB, S/PDIF coax and Toslink

7) I2S and S/PDIF outputs are precision impedance-matched and very high speed ot keep the jitter low

8) Clocks can be standard or optional Superclock4s or even Ultraclocks

9) power supplies are separate for USB, input FIFO and output FIFO for best noise isolation

10) Can be optionally powered from B-P-S or Redwine SLA supplies or my new Monolith LI battery supply - this sounds better than the wall supply

The second version will be a replacement USB module for both my Off-Ramp 3 and Overdrive DAC.

Progress can be tracked on my forum here:
Async 192 USB upgrade to Pace-Car 2

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
post #644 of 1712
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Originally Posted by rosgr63 View Post
Steve, how can we know if a USB interface is async so we can save on the USB cable?
There are several async interfaces, although the cable may still make a difference on some of them (depends on implementation):

Firewire - Weiss Minerva

24/192 USB - Empirical Audio, Musiland, HiFace

24/92 USB - Wavelength, Tascam US-122 and US-144, EMU 0404

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
post #645 of 1712
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Originally Posted by audioengr View Post
There are several async interfaces, although the cable may still make a difference on some of them (depends on implementation):

Firewire - Weiss Minerva

24/192 USB - Empirical Audio, Musiland, HiFace

24/92 USB - Wavelength, Tascam US-122 and US-144, EMU 0404

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Thanks a lot Steve.

I would like to add the Weiss DAC2 to your list.

Daniel Weiss in one of his articles also states that you don't need to spend a fortune on a FW cable, a good quality one is enough.
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