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post #1576 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Jocko Homo View Post


 


Yes, it may very well work good. It depends on more than one factor, and you can not seem to grasp this simple concept.

 

You seem to have a lot of problems, with simple concepts.

 

If the attenuator is big enough, it would probably kick butt. Of course, the RX may not work. But, without actually having the system in question, there is no way to give a definitive answer. How hard is this to understand?

 

Jocko


I think you'll find I already stated this but go ahead & have another go at me - that's really why you are posting on this thread, anyway.

 

But I'm off to bed now anyway, so I'm afraid no more fun to be had for you - pack up your big top - the circus is leaving town 


Edited by jkeny - 6/17/10 at 8:12pm
post #1577 of 1712

@jkeny

 

Why have you abandoned your special USB cable? I tought it would be a good option to use such a cable and replace the S/PDIF cable for the attenuator between hiface and DAC.

post #1578 of 1712
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Originally Posted by punk_guy182 View Post

@jkeny

 

Why have you abandoned your special USB cable? I tought it would be a good option to use such a cable and replace the S/PDIF cable for the attenuator between hiface and DAC.


Oh Jasus, Matthieu, don't mention the USB cable - Jocko has done these himself & selling for ?? - he might claim I owe him royalties from my €20 version 


Edited by jkeny - 6/17/10 at 8:27pm
post #1579 of 1712
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Originally Posted by Jocko Homo View Post

Well, it might work. A pad that connects the transport and DAC directly might work out really well. Again, depends on how it all goes together.

 

As for the USB, not my area of expertise. I wish I knew what the guy was thinking when he invented it. (He worked at Intel, right? That might explain a lot.)

 

Along with all the inherent problems with USB, it is very limited in how long it can be. Which is why a looooooong SPDIF cable can be useful. But, we already had that discussion, and the usual suspects moaned that we BS'ed them.

 

Jocko

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Originally Posted by Jocko Homo View Post


Yes, it may very well work good. It depends on more than one factor, and you can not seem to grasp this simple concept.

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Originally Posted by jkeny View Post

Ok, you are referring to SPDIF cable length issue. I said I prefer the short cable approach as long cables had to be a special length which as Gmarsh stated "pick a cable electrical length that's relatively prime to the wavelength". This requires knowledge of the cables specification & calculations to determine these acceptable lengths. So I don't find this as acceptable as using a short cable below a certain length.


Ok guys we are all on the same team right? Maybe it's just a clash of communication styles?

 

Anyways, this is all new to me but I've been trying to follow along. From the converters I am looking at, the M2Tech HiFace looks to eliminate the USB cable, but the (@ 3x the cost) Halide Bridge is geared towards the opposite, where they provide a 6' USB cable and have a (both cryo'd I think) 10' USB extension available.

 

They seem to be geared to eliminating different cables, as the HiFace can go right into a USB port without a cable, and the Bridge is geared towards plugging directly into a DAC's BNC input. Is the difference between the two devices' approach part of the "additional factors" that Jocko is referring to?

 

I really like the form factor of the Bridge, but the price is overkill for my budget. It would cost more than my DAC, which is the balanced Matrix Mini-i with a BNC in. If anyone is familiar with the Matrix do you think it would match up well with the HiFace BNC version? If so, would an attenuator be desirable in between that combo? And finally which level of resistance?

 

Or would the bridge be much better and more worth it, with the goal of perhaps upgrading the Matrix DAC at some point to say a Bel Canto DAC 2 or even a Chord DAC 64? Is BNC even the same as coaxial?

 

Most realistically I would get the HiFace and match it with my Matrix for some time if you guys think they would compliment each other.

 

Thanks in advance for any assistance given with my silly newbie questions


Edited by grokit - 6/18/10 at 1:08am
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Hey,  I have the Matrix mini-i and just got my cheapo BNC to BNC male adapter from china, yes, it's probably 50ohms, but it looks like that 75ohm adapter someone else posted.  At any rate - the difference was rather significant over the BJC BNC cable I had purchased, the SQ has improved soundstage as well as the 'body' of the sound, I will definitely NOT be going back to a BNC cable as I am using a 6" USB extension cord that came with my patriot thumb drive.  IMO this was the absolute best $2 I have ever spent on my audio system. 

 

As far as all this bickering, guys, really?  Nobody cares.  We would like to keep this post on topic and talk about the converters not this he said, she said, wa wa wa, take all that to a PM please, because I really want my last 10 minutes back of trying to catch up on this thread and reading the important stuff :/ - like how can I the average Joe get better SQ.

post #1581 of 1712
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Originally Posted by soulrider4ever View Post

....... - like how can I the average Joe get better SQ.


Buried in all this bickering is the nugget of info that putting one of these $12 attenuators from minicircuits on the output of a Hiface will improve the sound!

post #1582 of 1712
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Originally Posted by jkeny View Post




Buried in all this bickering is the nugget of info that putting one of these $12 attenuators from minicircuits on the output of a Hiface will improve the sound!


No there is info that it might....

post #1583 of 1712

Am I the only one getting tired of reading those posts...

post #1584 of 1712

Really bizarre discussion, I wonder how well the last few pages of dialogue would do on the Turing AI test.

post #1585 of 1712
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Originally Posted by shamu144 View Post

Am I the only one getting tired of reading those posts...


I'm really interested on the research done by various people to ameliorate the SQ of the transport. I'm anxious to find out which attenuator would sound better and if it would be possible to get rid of either the USB or S/PDIF cable in order to save money and increase SQ and also where to find this attenuator for a decent price.


Edited by punk_guy182 - 6/18/10 at 6:30am
post #1586 of 1712
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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX View Post




No there is info that it might....


OK, why not do the experiment yourself  - I have?


Edited by jkeny - 6/18/10 at 6:37am
post #1587 of 1712
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Originally Posted by punk_guy182 View Post




I'm really interested on the research done by various people to ameliorate the SQ of the transport. I'm anxious to find out which attenuator would sound better and if it would be possible to get rid of either the USB or S/PDIF cable in order to save money and increase SQ and also where to find this attenuator for a decent price.

Sure as was posted by Jkeny and the others there is a possibility that an attenuator may also improve sound quality.  For the mentioned price it is worth a test.
 

post #1588 of 1712
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OK, why not do the experiment yourself ?


We posted at the same time -read the other posting.  I was just saying there is nothing definate according to the information but it sounds like you are on the right track and probably will work.

 

You are hardcore on trying to improve the unit, hats off to you.


Edited by ROBSCIX - 6/18/10 at 6:40am
post #1589 of 1712

 

 

There are rumors floating around that the hiface SPDIF transmission doesn't meet SPDIF spec,  that is what Jocko is referring to I'm fairly certain.   The only way anyone would get to the bottom of the theoretical arguments is with a oscilloscope thats all Jocko is saying,  he seemed pretty disgusted that a guy profiting on the Hiface can't grasp that simple concept.

 

Otherwise I agree with souldrider,  experiement try then find whats best for your system. 

 

No body on these forums know digital theory and real world application like Jocko,  don't even argue with him on that level,  its down right silly. 

post #1590 of 1712


 

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Originally Posted by regal View Post

 

 

There are rumors floating around that the hiface SPDIF transmission doesn't meet SPDIF spec,  that is what Jocko is referring to I'm fairly certain.   The only way anyone would get to the bottom of the theoretical arguments is with a oscilloscope thats all Jocko is saying,  he seemed pretty disgusted that a guy profiting on the Hiface can't grasp that simple concept.

 

Otherwise I agree with souldrider,  experiement try then find whats best for your system. 

 

No body on these forums know digital theory and real world application like Jocko,  don't even argue with him on that level,  its down right silly. 


He suggested that it may work. unless I am misunderstanding the postings.

Where  did you see the part about it being out of spec for S/pdif output.  Do you mean the part about the output voltage?


Edited by ROBSCIX - 6/18/10 at 7:00am
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