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He has seriously lost his credibility as a reviewer. I usually avoid reading a review when the reviewer starts talking about cables and all those related fancy add-ons. I'm sure those things make a tiny difference and I'm not going to question about them here. But claiming more than 50% of the sound "performance" of his system is coming... is way beyond my logic.

 

@ USG, I enjoy reading your subjective posts, keep them coming.


The power supply is the foundation for everything - think about it !

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The power supply is the foundation for everything - think about it !

 

 jkeny, do you notice any difference between foobar's 32 bit presentation and its 16 bit presentation?

 

Thanks

 

USG
 

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 jkeny, do you notice any difference between foobar's 32 bit presentation and its 16 bit presentation?

 

Thanks

 

USG
 


I haven't any time these days to listen to music :)

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The power supply is the foundation for everything - think about it !


True, but I never questioned the importance of 'clean' power.

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True, but I never questioned the importance of 'clean' power.


Ah, yes, I re-read the post - it wasn't just about power - I keep an open mind about everything in audio - vibration control, thermal control, EMF radiation, etc - it all seems to make a difference - the issue for me is whether I want to chase down these issues! 


Edited by jkeny - 5/19/10 at 7:57pm
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I haven't any time these days to listen to music :)


That's a bit of a dodgy answer mate.            After all, you're the 'go to' guy for HiFace info.

 

USG

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BTW USG, I suggest you try the Musiland 02US for USB/SPDIF conversion. I think it's slowly becoming my favourite converter. I don't remember being this impressed when I first tried it. I guess over the weeks, it has either burned-in, or I'm just rediscovering its sound, who knows.


Edited by Shahrose - 5/20/10 at 8:14pm
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BTW USG, I suggest you try the Musiland 02US for USB/SPDIF conversion. I think it's slowly becoming my favourite converter. I don't remember being this impressed when I first tried it. I guess over the weeks, it has either burned-in, or I'm just rediscovering its sound, who knows.


I thought I'd try the jkeny mod next to see how much improvement he was able to get out of the HiFace. 

 


 

Continued Evaluation:

 

Today is day 6 for my HiFace / ’03 880 evaluation and the thing I notice most today is how well we adapt to the sound of a new device.  The imbalance I wrote about is barely noticeable and the slight bass boost EQ settings I used initially don’t sound “right” any more…. Apparently, I have become accustomed to the sound and clarity of the HiFace.

 

The fact that the HiFace plays 3dbs louder than my “Thingee”  has been troubling, because as we know, louder always sounds better, with more extended highs, which is the case with the HiFace.  So I think that for the HD650 part of this evaluation, I’m going to use another rig, with two identical Shuttle computers, as a test bed.

 

The computers are 3.4 Northwoods with a gig of RAM running XP/SP3.

 

A while ago, I used these computers as a test bed to compare the Stello and Neko DACs.  Previous to using the dueling computers, I had posted that the Stello had a ‘smile’ EQ relative to the ‘frown’ EQ of the Neko.  When I had them volume balanced, (each on a separate but identical computer), with their outputs sent to the two inputs on my GS-1, and I toggled back and forth, I was not able to tell them apart and the “smile” and the “frown” turned out to be nothing more than placebo’d effects.  This was a bummer because I had to write a “Chicken Tastes Better Than Crow” post.

 

So, now, over the weekend, I’m going to fire up the dueling computers, volume balance through foobar and see how much better the HiFace is than my old Blue Circle Thingee.  This, of course, is not any kind of scientific test, but it will give me a basis for comparison.

 

USG

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I went through the same process BTW USG. I had an equalizer on which slowly flattened out over time until I disabled it altogether after a week. I'm pretty sure the HiFace burned in, because it was harsh in the beginning and later it got smoother and the bass increased. The up-front and dry sound remained the same though, which caused fatigue in the long-run and which could put the treble in your face at times. It could all have been psychoacoustic, but I was listening to my other converters in tandem with the HiFace, so I'm not sure if the changes I felt were entirely due to my own adjustment.

 

The best part is the 02US is only $126USD new and I personally think its DAC (and to some extent, its amp) are by FAR the best in its price range.

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I haven't any time these days to listen to music :)





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That's a bit of a dodgy answer mate.            After all, you're the 'go to' guy for HiFace info.

 

USG

Would you prefer I told you lies & pretended I knew the answer or do you value truthfulness? I simply haven't had the time !
 

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I went through the same process BTW USG. I had an equalizer on which slowly flattened out over time until I disabled it altogether after a week. I'm pretty sure the HiFace burned in, because it was harsh in the beginning and later it got smoother and the bass increased. The up-front and dry sound remained the same though, which caused fatigue in the long-run and which could put the treble in your face at times. It could all have been psychoacoustic, but I was listening to my other converters in tandem with the HiFace, so I'm not sure if the changes I felt were entirely due to my own adjustment.

 

The best part is the 02US is only $126USD new and I personally think its DAC (and to some extent, its amp) are by FAR the best in its price range.


Your experience parallels mine exactly.  It's uncanny.  Right down to flattening out the equalizer a little bit every day.

 

I agree that what we're calling the "upfront sound" still remains, but to a lesser extent than it did on 'day one'.   I think one of the problems in trying to evaluate the HiFace continues to be that it is playing 3db louder than every thing else.

 

I don't know anything about Musiland, but when I checked Pacfic Valve it was $189 today, so it's not the bargain it was when you got it.

 

Edit to say that I found it on e-bay for your price.  http://cgi.ebay.com.my/USB-Digital-Sound-Card-Musiland-Monitor-02-US-/260437930872

Don't know if it's going to sound as clear as the HiFace?????  What's your opinion?

 

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Would you prefer I told you lies & pretended I knew the answer or do you value truthfulness? I simply haven't had the time !
 

 

Maybe I should have used the wink face instead of the smiley.  I was just kidding around.

 

 I assumed that one of the first things you would have done in your initial evaluation would be to check out the differences between how it sounded at the recommended 32 bit setting, 24 bit setting and the 16 bit setting, along with increasing the buffer times from the recommended 100ms. That was the natural progression in my evaluation, so I figured you probably did the same thing, a long time ago.

 

Anyway, sorry if it came across the wrong way.

 

USG
 


Edited by upstateguy - 5/21/10 at 3:00pm
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cmp and/or cplay has a more relaxed high frequency, maybe you could try to see if it compensates for the highs you don't like.

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1) I think one of the problems in trying to evaluate the HiFace continues to be that it is playing 3db louder than every thing else.

 

2) I don't know anything about Musiland, but when I checked Pacfic Valve it was $189 today,  #Over Here

so it's not the bargain it was when you got it.

 

1) Interesting...I didn't notice that.

 

2) http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260437930872
 

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cmp and/or cplay has a more relaxed high frequency, maybe you could try to see if it compensates for the highs you don't like.


Hi haloxt

 

I'm pretty used to how the HiFace sounds and I'd rather stay with foobar for ease of use...... 

 

I rolled the 637/627s back into the M^3 from the 843s, and it seemed to do the trick for the '03 880s. 

 

I have a feeling that it will sound fairly balanced with the 650s, even with the GS-1.

 

USG

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1) Interesting...I didn't notice that.

 

2) http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260437930872
 


My understanding is it's only louder relative to a 16 bit unit like the Trends or Thingee......

 

I saw that on e-bay after my post. 

 

Edit to add this:
 

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Apparently, it will be louder when comparing it to a 16bit DAC because the Hiface is a 24bit DAC & everything gets shifted (padded) by 8 bits ............


Edited by upstateguy - 5/21/10 at 11:57pm
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