Head-Fi.org › Forums › Misc.-Category Forums › Music › Perfect Music... annoying?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Perfect Music... annoying?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
I'm finding that my musical taste is switching from electronica to folk and alternative rock. I think the reason my taste is switching is because I'm starting to get annoyed by the fact that electronica lacks soundstage, and also lacks imperfection to a degree...

Since it's all synthetic it can come out perfectly, you can never hear the squeel of the guitar strings as the player moves his hands down the fingerboard.... or the singer taking a breath.

I've found I'm starting to become more and more analytical, and I am beginning to get annoyed with how dull electronica can be. Granted, I still think my electronic collection sounds better through my sony's, but I'm finding myself listening to a lot more stuff like Jose Gonzalez, Blue October, etc, on my audio technica's....

Has anybody else noticed this about thier listening habits?

On a similar topic, I'm looking for some high quality (recording wise) jazz music. Similar to lingling's reference shredding post, I'm looking for a few reference jazz albums. one or two reccomendations would be nice, and if I notice anything repeating or brought up frequently, I'll probably get that.
post #2 of 26
Thread Starter 
One good example is it almost feels like somebody's breathing in my right ear at the beginning of "What if we could". I specifically typed FEELS, not just sounds... I can almost hear the sound rushing the air back and forth... it's a scary illusion.
post #3 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aynjell View Post

I've found I'm starting to become more and more analytical, and I am beginning to get annoyed with how dull electronica can be. Granted, I still think my electronic collection sounds better through my sony's, but I'm finding myself listening to a lot more stuff like Jose Gonzalez, Blue October, etc, on my audio technica's....

Has anybody else noticed this about thier listening habits?
Yes. I love Metal and Electronic music. However I find myself listening to more and more to laid back and acoustic music because of all the clear detail a lot of it has. I find production value "almost" as important as the actual music now. That and the "Loudness wars" has affected lots of the genres I like.

Hell, I can't even play music on my work PC because it sounds like mud to me now. Went to audition some Grado 225s but sadly too loud to be used at work.
post #4 of 26
The recent Legacy Edition of Miles Davis' Kind of Blue sounds great. Also check out The Complete Village Vanguard Recordings Boxset by The Bill Evans Trio.
post #5 of 26
Overproduced music just doesn't feel 'real' to me. I've really gravitated towards more intimate works lately.
post #6 of 26
Another benefit of going acoustic is that you get to use better gear. Alright, I'm speaking subjectively here, but a lot of the really killer hardware does best with acoustic. For example, you wouldn't want to use electrostatic speakers with electronica - they don't kick hard enough in the low end for the genre. But put on some folk, jazz or classical and you'll be immersed in some of the purest sound imagineable. Single-ended triodes (and especially directly heated ones) aren't the best match for electronic music. However, if you use one with vocals, you will be bowled over by the magic a DHT amp lends to the mids. They almost sound better than the real thing. Finally, you can start appreciating some killer formats. Vinyl also lends magic to acoustics and vocals and about 90% of SACDs are either classical or jazz. Once you get hooked by those, it's difficult to go back to ordinary CDs or running off a computer.

I know this is sorta evil in a music thread, but you might want to try some new hardware if you get deeper into acoustic. You might be surprised at what a K-501 or DT48 will do with an acoustic guitar.

As for some jazz albums, three of the great classics are Miles Davis' Kind of Blue, Bill Evans' Waltz for Debby and Dave Brubeck's Time Out. Everyone seems to love those and I've given them many spins over the years.

Another album you should consider is Leo Kottke's 6 & 12 String Guitar, which is sor of a folk/bluegrass album. It's just Kottke playing his guitar, that's it. Trust me, you'll love it.

All of those are available on SACD, as well.
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Another benefit of going acoustic is that you get to use better gear. Alright, I'm speaking subjectively here, but a lot of the really killer hardware does best with acoustic. For example, you wouldn't want to use electrostatic speakers with electronica - they don't kick hard enough in the low end for the genre. But put on some folk, jazz or classical and you'll be immersed in some of the purest sound imagineable. Single-ended triodes (and especially directly heated ones) aren't the best match for electronic music. However, if you use one with vocals, you will be bowled over by the magic a DHT amp lends to the mids. They almost sound better than the real thing. Finally, you can start appreciating some killer formats. Vinyl also lends magic to acoustics and vocals and about 90% of SACDs are either classical or jazz. Once you get hooked by those, it's difficult to go back to ordinary CDs or running off a computer.

I know this is sorta evil in a music thread, but you might want to try some new hardware if you get deeper into acoustic. You might be surprised at what a K-501 or DT48 will do with an acoustic guitar.

As for some jazz albums, three of the great classics are Miles Davis' Kind of Blue, Bill Evans' Waltz for Debby and Dave Brubeck's Time Out. Everyone seems to love those and I've given them many spins over the years.

Another album you should consider is Leo Kottke's 6 & 12 String Guitar, which is sor of a folk/bluegrass album. It's just Kottke playing his guitar, that's it. Trust me, you'll love it.

All of those are available on SACD, as well.
Thank you for your input, and I really appreciate the album reccomendations. I'll probably pick one of these up for sure... as for my obtaining better gear, I plan on it and it's currently a work in progress.

Money's tight for at least this month and next. I'm working on building a socket 1156 setup at the moment.
post #8 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aynjell View Post
One good example is it almost feels like somebody's breathing in my right ear at the beginning of "What if we could". I specifically typed FEELS, not just sounds... I can almost hear the sound rushing the air back and forth... it's a scary illusion.
Another vote for Kotke's 6 and 12-String Guitar. I always second that. Add to that sublist, John Fahey-Best of the Vanguard Years.

But if you like electronica but hate its sterility, have you tried out Classical Minimalism? It's all the elegant repetition with real Juilliard-schooled vocalists and instrumentalists--instead of some pimply jerk who's just cracked Fruity-Loops.

Highly recommended for starders: Steve Reich's Music for 18 Musicians and Philip Glass' Glassworks. Or go rent Koyaanisquatsi and see what the demolition of Cabrini Green does fur yr sole. (Ya gotta gitit in yr sole.)
post #9 of 26
Perfection kills music. That is why you don't have a MIDI orchestra playing symphonies. The end result is not something you would want to listen to. They do use MIDI orchestras for things like movie scores and they do try tricks like randomizing the rhythm so notes don't always start and end exactly where they mathematically should. But that still doesn't work. You need humans involved in the playing in order to get the actual emotion and music in the music.

Rock music with live musicians isn't completely immune either. In rock you have the problem of some bands using click tracks for the drummer. The drummer has to stay exactly on the beat. That kills the music. The beat needs to wander as needed and as the drummer feels the music. Music that is allowed to wander is more interesting to listen to.
post #10 of 26
I've never quite been able to put my finger on why I enjoy music that has realistic flaws over a perfect track. I suppose it boils down to the fact that when I hear a vocalist slightly miss a note, or a guitarist hit the wrong chord, I know that I'm hearing a real human being. There really is something about a living, breathing, feeling human playing music that is irreplaceable.
post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cwell2112 View Post
I've never quite been able to put my finger on why I enjoy music that has realistic flaws over a perfect track. I suppose it boils down to the fact that when I hear a vocalist slightly miss a note, or a guitarist hit the wrong chord, I know that I'm hearing a real human being. There really is something about a living, breathing, feeling human playing music that is irreplaceable.
If you enjoy something, it's because it's typically overwhelming to some degree, that, or stimulating in some regard. Perfect albums, the ones where you don't hear a breath and it sounds like the guitars were recording at least 800 times, they never miss a beat, they never take a breath, they probably never existed in the first place. If you listen to one of these albums...

You'll probably be underwhelmed and unstimulated... because you never ever notice anything. It usually makes good background noise, but for active listening like what we do with headphones, it's just hard to focus on something that has nothing to notice.

Man, that was hard to explain, but I think somebody could infer my point from my blathering.

Anyway, anybody know of any great albums similar to Jose Gonzalez's Veneer? I really really like the guy and his guitar in front of the microphone sound and want more of it in my music collection. CD only please.

(what if one of these people read this post and had a tear roll down thier cheek... "my music's not perfect?") We're going to change this to "artificial sounding", since for me Jose Gonzalez is perfect, because it's one of the few albums that makes almost any good headphones with a good soundstage sound hi-fi. My ATH-AD700 are simply awesome with this album.
post #12 of 26
Haven´t exactly thought it that way, but for sure I don´t give any credit for perfecting something like music. Often it indeed adds to the feel when the players mess up. I find that very honest and it shows that the musicians are making music for the right reason in my opinion.

I also hate electronic music for other reasons than the "perfection".
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOtus View Post
Haven´t exactly thought it that way, but for sure I don´t give any credit for perfecting something like music. Often it indeed adds to the feel when the players mess up. I find that very honest and it shows that the musicians are making music for the right reason in my opinion.

I also hate electronic music for other reasons than the "perfection".
i don't hate it, but it's uninspiring these days, due to lack of space when you listen to them on cans.
post #14 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aynjell View Post
Anyway, anybody know of any great albums similar to Jose Gonzalez's Veneer? I really really like the guy and his guitar in front of the microphone sound and want more of it in my music collection. CD only please.
Jose has often been compared to Nick Drake as far as the feeling of their work goes. If you don't have any of his stuff, you'd probably like it. Five Leaves Left is a good starting point. It's not all just Nick and his guitar, though. A lot of his recordings include other musicians. A fair amount of Richard Thompson's work is also acoustic guitar with minimal backup. Rumor and Sigh, or Mock Tudor might fit the bill.

If you can pass on the singing, check out Leo Kottke's 6 and 12 String Guitar.

But Nick is probably your first stop.

- Ed
post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 
Apparently I'm a floyd fan.

I heard exactly what I was looking for in "The Wall". I'm going to start adding the other albums to my collection here very soon. I got a bunch of CD's I don't like anymore, and they're clandestined to end up at my local record store for trade. If I don't have division bell and Dark Side of the moon by then, I'll grab them then.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Music
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Misc.-Category Forums › Music › Perfect Music... annoying?