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post #46 of 505
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Originally Posted by Pangaea View Post
So just to clarify...

Old 160GB classic = Wolfson Dac

New 160GB classic = Cirrus Dac (same as iPhone 3GS)

Is that accurate?
It is.

There is a post here claiming that they tore down the Classic and it had the Wolfson DAC, but every other source I have seen claims that the current Touch, iPhone 3GS and 160GB Classic (Sept 2009 refresh : 6th Gen, Rev 2) all use the Cirrus DAC. I maintain that there is more to it than that, and the Apple engineers have done some tweaking, and Wolfson would still be supplying DACs for the Nano (I think the current Shuffle has the Cirrus DAC, but I havent seen that in black and white). All I know is that the current Classic sounds better than any iPod I've ever heard - you need to hear it for yourself.
post #47 of 505
Pangaea, is there nowhere that you can listen to one of the new models ? Most Apple Centres will have them set up with music ready to go - it wont be your music, but its a much better guide than scanning the specs.
post #48 of 505
No, unfort. the closest retailed I have is Walmart and I don't even think they carry that model (at least according to their website). So specs are all I can really go on. Believe me I understand your passion for hearing it on your own, but for me I think this Cirrus chip translates to the better sound that is coming out of the newer models (at least that seems to be the trend: iPhone 3Gs, new Classic, 3rd Gen Shuffle)- and that is why it is important for me to know.
post #49 of 505
which DAC has 2nd gen itouch?
post #50 of 505
I have just received my Elite SCSCag Viablue LOD so tonight I will be able to compare the line out of the Classic 160gb and the Nano 5G with my Mustang & my JH13s.
post #51 of 505
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Originally Posted by semaniaci View Post
which DAC has 2nd gen itouch?
people reckon Cirrus Logic - but its anyones guess to be honest as its labelled as an Apple part I believe ?

I have a 2G and it sounds good enough (although Fuze sounds a lot better for non-classical stuff)

but if I could have a 2G Touch WITH the Wolfson DAC/warm sound of my old 5.5G IPOD I would in a flash ...
post #52 of 505
Ok, so I am intrigued now. To those who own the 2009 160GB Classic, how would you describe the sq. I have owned the 5.5G 30GB, which was warm but not, as clean and detailed as the 80GB 2007 Classic, which also had a crumby soundstage and no warmth. How does the 2009 160GB sound?
post #53 of 505
The line that Apple are taking is that the only change in the 2009 upgrade to the Classic was to replace the 120GB hard disk with the 160GB hard disk, but there was a more substantial upgrade to the internals in Sept 2008. Effectively, there are 3 versions of the 6G Classic, but only one change that should impact SQ. Whether you like the current model or not can only be solved by auditioning one.

fwiw, I had a brief listen to the iPhone 3GS this morning - unknown bitrate on the songs - and I would describe it as bright and entertaining, but I heard nothing that made me want to dash home and re-box my 2009 Classic for a refund. Good detail, bouncy sound but nothing 'Shazam !' - might be different with my own music ripped to Lossless, but I'm not about to shell out 880AUD to find out.

The thing that strikes me about both players is that they lack the sheer grunt of my Sony and I find the sound gets thinner as you pump the volume up - that was on my Sony IEMs, but I haven't had a similar issue with any of my other players (Cowon, Samsung in addition to the two Sony DAPs I own). I'm hopeful that a decent portable amp will solve this.
post #54 of 505
Hmm, you guys got me interested. I'll stop by the Apple Store on campus tomorrow and see
post #55 of 505
ilney, try to give your ears time to adjust to the differences - if possible, walk away and browse something else for a minute or so before moving from one iPod to another.

For those with 6/6.5G Classic, have you tried connecting it to your integrated amp straight from the headphone out ? I realise that its not ideal, but I'm quietly blown away by how well my CA integrated is bringing a lot of my music to life from the Classic tonight : initially, it seemed a bit harsh (Killswitch Engage arent wallflowers in any sense - need to try something a little gentler later on ..), but I gave it time for the DT440s and my ears to settle in (and the amp to warm up) and its very, very enjoyable. I'm still critical of the low powered amp in the Classic, but I'm looking forward to getting something happening from a LOD and portable amp in the bedroom. Still gives me a perverse sense of joy to be holding all that storage in the palm of my hand - even my 250GB netbook doesnt evoke that sensation
post #56 of 505
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post
For those with 6/6.5G Classic, have you tried connecting it to your integrated amp straight from the headphone out ? I realise that its not ideal, but I'm quietly blown away by how well my CA integrated is bringing a lot of my music to life from the Classic tonight : initially, it seemed a bit harsh (Killswitch Engage arent wallflowers in any sense - need to try something a little gentler later on ..), but I gave it time for the DT440s and my ears to settle in (and the amp to warm up) and its very, very enjoyable.

Is there a big difference? I will try this tomorrow night. To celebrate the long weekend I am going to have several drinks and fully test the new "juke box". I bought an apple dock for the sole purpose of feeding my integrated amp (NAD C372), but i will try direct and see if I can tell a difference.

I'm still critical of the low powered amp in the Classic, but I'm looking forward to getting something happening from a LOD and portable amp in the bedroom.

Have you maxed out the available volume from your ipod? I was having a a heck of time trying to max out the "maximum volume setting". Got it about three quarters and honestly that is plenty loud for IEM's. However when you are feeding a stereo, would you want it higher? Or is that all handled by the amp?
Still gives me a perverse sense of joy to be holding all that storage in the palm of my hand - even my 250GB netbook doesnt evoke that sensation
I am still walking around giggling about ALL the music I have in my pocket. Songs I haven't played in years. I have to say:
DAP + playlists + shuffle = auditory nirvana
People are getting VERY tired of me saying "I love shuffle!"

Shane D
post #57 of 505
Well coming back to the 'OP', I would love to hear that the 7G Classic beats my 5.5G Video.
post #58 of 505
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post #59 of 505
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Originally Posted by vkvedam View Post
Well coming back to the 'OP', I would love to hear that the 7G Classic beats my 5.5G Video.
Wouldnt you prefer to actually hear the current Classic and make your own call on that ??? There are several threads atm discussing the merits of one iPod over another, and each contains a post from one or more folk complaining about how disappointed they were in a previous iPod purchase made on the recommendation of a large number of Head-Fiers. For mine, if you cant audition something, it can very easily end in tears.

For those trying to set the max volume on the new Classic, I found that the best I could do was to take it to about 95% on the slider - it simply wont stay set at 100%.

Finally, I do consider the result from my integrated amp to be a significant improvement over the raw headphone out - more body and presence, and I prefer the warmer sound from my amp. Again, (unlike my Sony) the sound seems brittle with an increase in volume, but keep it to reasonable levels and its excellent. I even tried re-ripping one of my favourite albums to WAV in the hope of getting a better result, but I couldnt discern much in the way of difference when listening to the new rips.
post #60 of 505
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post
For those trying to set the max volume on the new Classic, I found that the best I could do was to take it to about 95% on the slider - it simply wont stay set at 100%.

I couldn't get it near that far.

Finally, I do consider the result from my integrated amp to be a significant improvement over the raw headphone out - more body and presence, and I prefer the warmer sound from my amp. Again, (unlike my Sony) the sound seems brittle with an increase in volume, but keep it to reasonable levels and its excellent. I even tried re-ripping one of my favourite albums to WAV in the hope of getting a better result, but I couldnt discern much in the way of difference when listening to the new rips.
Just to clarify, do you notice a difference between straight feed and through an Apple dock (or whatever dock you are using)?

Shane D
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