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post #16 of 30
Your #2 point just tells us that the amp is clipping. Let's fix the clipping, then return to your other questions.

You should be able to get away with putting a second 9V in series with the existing one temporarily. The advice to select your caps to exceed your total power supply voltage (rather than half the total, which they normally see) is made with continual running in mind, not short tests where you can just lash out with your hand to break the power connection if your virtual ground somehow manages to collapse during the test.

And hey, if you blow the caps, you were thinking of replacing them anyway.
post #17 of 30
Thread Starter 
About the battery.... I have two options at the moment... 1000mAh and 2500mAh and double the price... you guys think 1000 is enought or should I be going 2500mAh?

thanks!
post #18 of 30
Depends on your desired run time and how long you want to spend charging the amp as well.

I'm happily running 1000mAh AAA.
post #19 of 30
Figure ~60 mA continuous for a PIMETA with LMH6321. 1000 mAh then gives ~16 hours of run time if you can fully drain the battery before you run into clipping. This is explained more fully here: Op-Amp Working Voltage Considerations
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by tangent View Post
Or, as Earwax says, forget stacking and go straight to the LMH6321. I changed to it in v2 on purpose.
I wish I had found out about this before I bought additional BUF634's for stacking.
Since I have a couple of spare LMH6321's can I use them (modified) for L\R buffers and use a BUF634 for the ground buffer?
RC
post #21 of 30
Sure.
post #22 of 30
Thread Starter 
I've been kinda busy these days so only could manage to do some testing yesterday...

I had two 9v batteries together and and harshness is not there anymore...
This problem seems to be solved...
I trying to find a new set of caps locally so I can finally upgrade it to more voltage...

as for the performance, seems that with my DT150 I cannot get enough juice with the volume pot maxxed out, depending on the songs that's being played. I'd have to increase the gain, probably...

I am trying to find the LMH6321s locally.... seems that I cannot and will need to buy them from the US... but in the meantime I am planning on going double stacked BUF634, as I have some on stock and I will be changing R11 anyway...
Isn't it kind on easy to fry my BUF634 while trying to solder them?
your website says that one cannot use sockets with LMH6321... I don't like very much the idea of soldering SOIC stuff directly to the board.

as for the battery as I am going to use them at home, I am planning on getting two VERY small motorcycle batteries(very cheap and 3Ah) and put them in series... Thing is that I will have to find some way to get them down to 22v.
A friend of mine who is an electronic engineer said that he could help me to accomplish that in a way I don't waste much power with regulators... he said that there is a circuit i can make based on a CI that will accomplish that...

Cheers!

Patrick
post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by Bandeira View Post
Isn't it kind on easy to fry my BUF634 while trying to solder them?
Not if you're being careful. Observe the limits in the datasheet: don't exceed 300°C or 10 seconds per joint. If you can't make the joint within those restrictions, stop for a sec, let the joint cool down, and try again.

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I don't like very much the idea of soldering SOIC stuff directly to the board.
Have you watched this: Surface Mount Soldering Techniques ?

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A friend of mine who is an electronic engineer said that he could help me to accomplish that in a way I don't waste much power with regulators... he said that there is a circuit i can make based on a CI that will accomplish that...
Be sure it's not set to charge when the amp is turned on. The charging IC may add noise to the amp. Best to use a DPDT power switch, so that when the power goes off, the charger comes on. I describe something like this in my Low Noise Measurement Preamplifier assembly guide.
post #24 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tangent View Post
Be sure it's not set to charge when the amp is turned on. The charging IC may add noise to the amp. Best to use a DPDT power switch, so that when the power goes off, the charger comes on. I describe something like this in my Low Noise Measurement Preamplifier assembly guide.
I`d be charging the battery outside the circuit... afaiac when you bring voltage down by using a regulator you have some watts of power loss... he said that there is a way this would not happen....
what he said is based on http://www.hsmc.com.tw/pdf/H34063A.pdf in fig.4 you can see the step-down converter


cheers and thanks!
post #25 of 30
That IC is going to add noise to the circuit. The last 8-pin DC-DC converter I tried added lots of easily-audible noise. At best, it will add noise which happens to be inaudible for one reason or another.

If it were me, I'd run that amp straight off the batteries, nothing in between.
post #26 of 30
Thread Starter 
not fully understood the thing about R5 and R6... I should jumper them or leave them open?
lets say for a gain of 6, I should populate R3 = 1k and R4 = 5k?
or I should populate R5 and R6?
I am confused on the positions to populate based on the schematic and the board layout

cheers

Patrick
post #27 of 30
Just leave them alone if you're not clear about this. Some people, like jcx, don't like Jung multiloop, so he was telling you to take it out. My reply to that is simply that yes, it's legal, if that's what you want to do.
post #28 of 30
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tangent View Post
Just leave them alone if you're not clear about this. Some people, like jcx, don't like Jung multiloop, so he was telling you to take it out. My reply to that is simply that yes, it's legal, if that's what you want to do.
I decided to first try to make things work and went back to the standard resistor values with the gain of 10.5... everything is working perfect with two 9v batteries...

I am getting a little hiss on normal volumes only with the source plugged in (with the source unplugged, no hiss) Could this be caused by the high gain?
with my DT150(250ohm) I am setting my volume on about 35% of pot travel...

One change I will make, because I cannot afford running 9v batteries, is to change it to dual motorcycle 12v@7Ah batteries (which are very very cheap here in Brazil, bought them for 15 dollar each) but they are 12v rated, which would give me more than 24v (about 25.6v) when fully charged.... (people here have said that my opamps wont handle more than 24v) so what you recommend be to be the best way to take this voltade down to about 22v so I can be hassle free on this issue?

thanks a lot guys and specially tangent for you patience... I know I am not the first and not the last head-fier you made happy with you amp designs and helping to make them work for everyone!

cheers!
post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by Bandeira View Post
I am getting a little hiss on normal volumes only with the source plugged in (with the source unplugged, no hiss) Could this be caused by the high gain?
If the noise appears only when the source is plugged in, then the noise is coming from the source.

The PIMETA is amplifying it, right along with the music, so it's partly to blame. Yes, lowering the gain will help. You might also consider getting a better source down the road.

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I am setting my volume on about 35% of pot travel...
Then yes, your gain is clearly too high. I prefer to make my amps so that the typical volume level is above the 50% point for my least efficient headphones.

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dual motorcycle batteries...would give me more than 24v (about 25.6v) when fully charged....
I think you will find that you need more like 28-29 V to actually charge those batteries fully. The difference matters if you ever integrate the charger into the amp so that it can charge while power goes to the op-amps.

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people here have said that my opamps wont handle more than 24v
Actually, the recommended max for the AD8610 is 26 V. Check the datasheet.

You're right on the edge of disaster here, not clearly over it. I would add a silicon diode in series between V+ and the amp. If you're using dual batteries to remove the need for the TLE2426 in the amp, add one in series with the V- line, too. (You can do it if you're still using virtual ground, but it's not necessary.) This will drop the supply voltage by another 0.7 V, giving you a little bit of safety margin without the complexities of regulation.

EDIT: This has the side benefit of being a more reliable protection against plugging the batteries in backwards than the crowbar PIMETA v1 uses.

Obviously, measure the batteries after they come off the charger to be sure. You might find that they're not okay to plug in immediately, but after a few minutes the voltage stabilizes below 26.7 V.

If you really had to, you could use multiple diodes in series, but at that point, I'd start looking at a linear regulator.
post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hey guys...
Thanks a lot for the help...

I've been having, for a couple of weeks a nice sounding amp.

Next steps are buffer change to the LMH6321 - as soon as I can find them in Brazil.

and also I wonder about opamp rolling... my setup is currently on AD8620/8610... which I find a bit harsh in highs...

more bass extension and more fullness in overall balance would also be welcome... As well as I've read your notes on opamps, I am confused on the lots of options presented...
(just to remind that current demands are not an issue)
I am also not very sure about the adapter demands on other opamps...

for the battery problem. I had a 40ish ohm resistor in series in the amp, bringing the voltage down by about 2v... making everything on the safe side...

on the audible hiss it presented in the past... I found out that it was due to the old recordings I was listening to... I was in a kinda classic rock mood... :P

Thanks a lot again, and sorry for the silly questions... newbie here...
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