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WOW ... foobar with the kernel streaming plug in just blew my mind

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wavs/flacs > foobar 9.6.9 (with KS plug in) > usb > TA USB 10.1 > 110ohm AES/EBU balanced out > bjc 110ohm cable > lavry da10 110ohm balanced in > zu rca's > earmax pro (baldwin 12ax7 & amperex 6922 white labels) > 650's


i just installed the foobar kernel streaming plug-in on a lark in place of the trusty asio and was pleasantly surprised by the enhanced sq .. there were a couple pop up boxes from windows and foobar about known compatability issues, and my computer sometimes needs a restart when I try to play through my speakers on the on board chip but my 650's are singing now
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foobar2000: Components Repository - Kernel Streaming support
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Have you tried WASAPI (assuning you have Vista/7 running)?
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WASSUP with WASAPI?
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Really? It blew your mind?
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I am, admittedly, prone to hyperbole but separation, extension and weight seem much improved

in re MM comments, perhaps i will give wasapi a try later this weekend
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Yeah, KS certainly make am audible difference. Enjoy!
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Originally Posted by krmathis View Post
Yeah, KS certainly make am audible difference. Enjoy!
Why, it should do the same as ASIO
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it depends on the windows driver implementation. ASIO is third party and has its own latency timer.

DirectKS is part of the WDM architecture. everything's based on KS in windows, and DirectKS is the m$ KMixer-free answer to ASIO.

DirectKS Sample Application
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the DirectKS approach results in exclusive access to the audio device, which can break many aspects of the user experience, including disabling warning alert sounds and loss of interoperability with other audio applications.
on my board DirectKS in foobar works in bit-matched/bit-perfect/exclusive mode on XP SP3 and forbids SRC, good stuff

but DirectKS is m00t on the Asus soundcards(not bit-matched, no exclusive mode)...so again, it all falls back to how the windows drivers were written in the first place.
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Why, it should do the same as ASIO
I meant compared to foobar2000 in stock configuration, using Direct Sound.
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Yes, if you read the original OP post, he was on ASIO and converted to KS,
for that I find strange that big difference,
or maybe we should need some Lavry **** to get illuminated,
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or maybe we should need some Lavry **** to get illuminated,
Well, you see, it would take several degrees in mathematics and engineering to understand exactly why KS presents such an advantage.
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Yes, if you read the original OP post, he was on ASIO and converted to KS,
for that I find strange that big difference,
or maybe we should need some Lavry **** to get illuminated,
perhaps so, and perhaps the settings i had selected didnt fully maximize its capabilities ... at any rate, i am quite happy with the current bit perfect output settings with ks
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I compared WASAPI and KS and found that KS produced a more prominent high end and also slightly more bass impact. WASAPI was smoother and put the mids more up front. These were subtle but reproducible results and from what I described above, the treble was the most obvious difference between the two.
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Originally Posted by bergman2 View Post
wavs/flacs > foobar 9.6.9 (with KS plug in) > usb > TA USB 10.1 > 110ohm AES/EBU balanced out > bjc 110ohm cable > lavry da10 110ohm balanced in > zu rca's > earmax pro (baldwin 12ax7 & amperex 6922 white labels) > 650's


i just installed the foobar kernel streaming plug-in on a lark in place of the trusty asio and was pleasantly surprised by the enhanced sq .. there were a couple pop up boxes from windows and foobar about known compatability issues, and my computer sometimes needs a restart when I try to play through my speakers on the on board chip but my 650's are singing now
Do I understand that you were using the Foobar ASIO plugin and ASIO4All? (which actually send output to the WDM kernel streaming interface.)

And now you are using the kernel streaming plugin to send output directly to WDM kernel streaming?

If I have this right, you are using kernel streaming both ways.

Bill
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