Hifiman 801 Appreciation thread - Page 7

The point I think is that the Cmoy and Fiio is still better than most if not all inbuilt amps in existing players and this beats those.

One thing I guess is that there is no "high end" amp in there and that suits me just fine as a new owner of the ALO RX. In fact I would like a smaller, thinner line-out only player if possible.

As per the HiFiMan HM-801. It's a dedicated portable audio machine with a battery you can remove (a major problem in many players on the market going back to the manufacturer making the battery user-inaccessible or user-unfriendly), and an amp that can be modified. Not to mention the overzealous users who want to port RockBox into it and probably will.

Considering that this is a audiophile's (or at least) my nirvana in the shape of a music player, I will definitely invest in one. People haven't accounted for its customization potential, but rather for its cost and other things.

Look at it this way, neither iPod, nor Cowon, and I also believe nor Zune has ever released a player dedicated to delivering high end audio. Not only that, but show me a player (aside, maybe the AMP3) that has an amplifier module in it. The Guan-Qi Bay is a magical thing, as I presume we will all see once this player hits the homes of many head-fiers.

thought i should clarify otherwise might scare off other buyers~ the hair line i mean is not scratch at all and its not visible, its only visible when u turn it off and put under the sun and it reflects on it's black screen~ so i m being really picky as u can imagine.

the paint job really is fine~ same picky standard i applied with the screen ~ it just here and there at the corner might have a little bit un-even ~ its Teflon and its pretty rare application on gadgets i must say

by the way, i would suggest may be in the future the buttoms can just use silver painting instead of 24k gold plated........ over time my finger will for sure rub that gold painting off i think due to extensive use lol

Do you mean Fiio amp is also better than the build in amp of HIFIMAN ?

'This' would be the antecedent referring to the HiFiMan HM-801 in that particular sentence.

At least, from what I deduced, he's saying that those two amps are better than most every other amp out there, but the HiFiMan actually out-does those amps.

He'd be better to confirm it, since he didn't seem too enthused about the sonic difference upon mentioning it.

@testrichard: I doubt that the plating would come off. If it's an insecurity, you might want to go for a case, as most others do to protect even their simpler plastic players.

I'd account that the plating resembles the gold standard trying to be set off by this music player. At least the symbolism I derived from it.

It is really a regret that untill today, There are no any full detail review on HIFIMAN 801. The users seems have no interesting to do it. if there is a comparing between HIFIMAN, T51, SONY X and AMP3 in term of sound quality, it will be appreciated.

probably, in a chinese thread Fang answered chinese hi fi-er that its 24k gold ~ it was due to one person attack hifiman saying it looks cheap and not worth being on the list of luxury top ten list (its on some USA IT megazine i think)

you will be surprise~ the amount of personal attack to fang/head-direct on chinese website is insane !! if i m fang at one stage i would just give up and not bother any more~ some chinese poster just never satisfy ~ always want more ! cheaper, better ~ etc etc and alot of them do so because they wana protect their old investment such as AMP3, T51 or Sony D50 etc by putting hifiman down questioning if hifiman can even beat them~ some r supporter(or employee) may simply be from competitors

MYOB: Manipulate Your Own Buyers

Folks, I'm sorry to say that, at this moment in time, I've decided that I won't be getting the HM-801.

Apparently, Fang has jumped the gun and increased the price to $790 starting January 2010. It's already been aforementioned by others that these are harsh economic times. I'm positive he has read those statements.

The $100 appreciation discount brought the first pre-order batch down to a solid/reasonable $600. From that, I deduce that the price was actually finally supposed to be $700.

While I argued about certain controversies regarding the player and while I embellished the attributes of this player by extolling it, I now retract it all.

Although, to some, a $90 price jump doesn't mean a lot, it actually is. That's about 1/7th of the price I construed added to the player. Why $790? I presume to add that '.99' effect to make the player seem cheaper.

A solid business plan was providing an honestly made and honestly priced high end portable audio player. The reputation I read of his related to the idea that he provided extraordinary ideas and followed through. I now see that the visionary aspect of him has been outweighed by a money hunger/greed. That ruined the business plan for me, when I saw the transparency of the greedy intentions brought about by this price jump demolishing the credibility of everything I've learned about this player.

It's an insult to slap audiophiles with such a high price for the sake of it. Some audiophiles, like myself, may have not known of this concept of the HM-801 until after pre-order batch I (in my case, now). Even though I certainly would have immediately put forth attempt to pre-order it at first sight of the news of such a player that I never imagined possible, but always wanted.

So now we have to pay the price and suffer, and for what? Due to the expected present value of the unit raising?

Next month, my parents must pay a housing tax, followed by my semester fees in the month following. In my case, I was already nearly SOL, but willing to try to get this player. Now, I witness the unnecessary price jump with the knowledge of what the player should have been valued at and I'm just appalled.

Unless you're a masochist, read this, and want the mental torture of being knowingly cheated, then go ahead and buy the unit. I have some common sense that tells me something's not right when this guy puts up his price tag on the player.

Appreciation? Pssh, there's no appreciation deserved when one reaps the benefits of others' suffering. Whether it be from an inherent overpricing leading to the greater loss of one for the benefit of the other, or the disappointment brought about by such a situation where a entrepreneur raises the price to a point where one can't afford it for his own gain.

i can understand why~ i have hifiman 801 with me and i m just enjoying music~ no more chasing of amp/dac etc etc ~ back to the basic , enjoying the music

i dont bother what other player does now, i know my 801 has dark back ground. no hiss etc during playing or silent moment during song~ and extremely tiny tiny hiss when turn the volume to the max with pause~

and able to enjoy songs that usually will give me headache on other players due to the background noise etc !! even turning max still just feeling loud and not noisy with headache...... ( i have very sensitive ear)

would you still bother comparing if you r in our position ? or you will just enjoy music until may be one day you found that noise in your head again ?

I'm not putting the guy down in my last post. That regards me intentionally trying to debacle his product due to personal bias and prejudice -- which I didn't do.

I saw the information I observed about the HM-801, versus what came into reality. It's not a cheaper/better thing for me. There was a price that was supposed to be set for this from the get-go and there's also another price that he went ahead and created.

That's what disgusts me. I did want the product, oh hell yes I did, but I would've already had to go through leaps and bounds to get it at $700 as I deduced the price to be (meaning I was going to go and sell my belongings among other things just to get this player).

I'm not doing that if this guy decides to just put up the price because he feels like it. For all that this player represented in ingenuity, it fell short from the idea that I would have to go through that much more, just because he wants to raise the price.

Make no mistake about it. It doesn't matter how much they put down the player. The buyer will purchase it because he wants the machine for what it can do, and not what others make of it and because he has the money to do so.

If a person's honestly just running off of the words of others to buy the player, then there was probably no intention to really buy it to begin with. Although I see your point, it probably wouldn't even be the case for you if you put that much work into creating a product. That ends up being your time wasted.

In my case, I would rather hand over hard earned cash to an honest person rather than a person who will make me feel like I'm being cheated. That's just that.

I don't care about the looks of the player, to respond to your post's point. I care about what it delivers in sound and otherwise. Do you honestly think that making it look flashy and attractive would actually do anybody any favors? Wouldn't that make it more likely to be stolen? My point exactly. People cry too much for unknown reasons. In such a case as this, ego.

its simply not true, if it is true why would i have my hifiman at 1st batch price of 600 plus extra free battery just to show how much head-direct appreciate my patience for extended delay ~ if head-direct is a rip off why all Aug buyer enjoy same benefit as me?

whats the price gap between HD800 and HD650 ? how about DT880/990 compare to Telsa T1 ?? UE 10~UE 11 ? list goes on and these people have even more producing power as vast manufacturer ~ i didnt see people complain they r blood sucker ??

besides, believe or not~ the U$ 600 i was paying is almost like the U$700 you r paying now consider how much U$ depreciate since may till now V.S AU$

the price was there since may~and its been informed that the final price is intend to between 750~800... its whole freaking 7 months for people to enjoy the benefit of early adopter !! if you just found out about hifiman 801 then its simply bad luck, if you knew the pre-order price was 600 and you wait it for 7 months...... well, need i say more ??

this. surely someone can atleast compare it with one of the other players from the list??

i wasnt referring to you in my early post~i was referring to chinese poster on chinese website~ you would shook your head if some say those things to you.

i still wasnt referring to you in my later post i m just trying to point out they r not really blood sucker~ at least not to the extreme of UE/Senniffer/byer etc etc ~ imagine HD800 is $1400 what price will it be for their next can ?? a jump from HD650 to HD800 ~ thats real sucker !

please ~~ no fights intended ~~ i really just wanna enjoy my music now after 4 months of wait and mental torture......

I'm not 'attempting' to fight with you, and you didn't read my statement. I said it's $790, whilst $700 was the agreeable amount I found. The appreciation price was said to be a '$100 discount', and 10% would go to head-fi.com. That's fair and honest, and something I would invest in. I've done my research.

Also, it's not like there are two separate players on sale as you adopted. It's the same product, just jacked up in price.

Also, I'm nearly as much an aspiring musician as I am an aspiring doctor. I would spend anything to help my musical intuition, but not if I feel like I'm being used or mistreated. That's what inspired the music in me, not a feeling I want to carry over when I purchase a device that would hold such high sentiment to me.

And, the only way you could possibly start an argument is by ticking me off by implying that I'm a liar. No, I did not know of this player until a graduating student of this school engaged in a conversation with me about audio fidelity only a few days ago and introduced me to this player, AMP3, and head-fi when I showed him my Cowon A3. I have a bare minimum of posts and only joined after he told me about it last weekend. You should know your role before you throw out such accusations.

Of course you're going to be happy. You got the product for the bare minimum, plus some more to show for it. You're not in my situation and don't have to deal with my circumstances so you're dealing replies with that bias in mind. Not to mention the hint of bragging added into the beginning of your post.

I state again that these economic times aren't easy to contend with, so that's the problem I had when he jacked up the price as high as he could.

That, by all means, isn't a fair deal to any member of the consumer community. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it like white on rice. And that's my appreciation for the player, and the reason why I've decided not to buy one at this point.