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post #376 of 534

I noticed a few users on that site have HM-801 SYMM Card, googled it, looks interesting:

 

http://personalaudio.ru/detail/symm_card_dlya_hifiman_hm_801/

post #377 of 534
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Originally Posted by ade_hall View Post

I noticed a few users on that site have HM-801 SYMM Card, googled it, looks interesting:

 

http://personalaudio.ru/detail/symm_card_dlya_hifiman_hm_801/

Yes, it's an alternative apm desingned by a russian engeneer from Saratov city (user Symmcat). In Russia it is considered to be the best amp for HM-801, but it's a deficit one at the moment. There is already a line of people waiting for Sergey to produse more SYMM cards. I am one of them. :)

post #378 of 534
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That would really be awesome!

If it is relatively easy to do, then it might be worth the risk ...

Do you get more gain, when you remove the resistors?

 

Yes, HM-801 now defenetly has more gain. Also I should admit that I like the sound of the original firmware even more than of rockbox. Game amp now shows the difference between them much more clearly. Original firmware is more analog sounding.

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Okay, that is a concern, that will keep me from removing the resistors. The Miracle is so sensitive, that I already have very little room for volume adjustment. Thanks for letting me know. Also good to know that you think the original firmware sounds better.
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Originally Posted by HungryDaze View Post

Yes, HM-801 now defenetly has more gain. Also I should admit that I like the sound of the original firmware even more than of rockbox. Game amp now shows the difference between them much more clearly. Original firmware is more analog sounding.
post #380 of 534
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Okay, that is a concern, that will keep me from removing the resistors. The Miracle is so sensitive, that I already have very little room for volume adjustment. Thanks for letting me know. Also good to know that you think the original firmware sounds better.

 

That should be easy to fix for a modder - either add resistors on the input, or decrease the gain on the amp section by match of two pair of resistors, or both at the same time.

post #381 of 534
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

That should be easy to fix for a modder - either add resistors on the input, or decrease the gain on the amp section by match of two pair of resistors, or both at the same time.
Ah! Now we are talking again!
This of course needs soldering skills that is above basic level, since it is smd components, am I right?
Again, in order to give it a go, I would have to be shown exactly which to remove and which to solder on exactly where ...
post #382 of 534
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Originally Posted by LarsHP View Post

Okay, that is a concern, that will keep me from removing the resistors. The Miracle is so sensitive, that I already have very little room for volume adjustment. Thanks for letting me know. Also good to know that you think the original firmware sounds better.

I know several people in Moscow, who use UM customs with modified Game amp or SYMM card, and they never mentioned any problems with little room for volume adjustment. So I don't think, that it will cause you any trouble. After all, the volume wheel is very accurate and you can set the precise volume that you need.

post #383 of 534
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Originally Posted by HungryDaze View Post

I know several people in Moscow, who use UM customs with modified Game amp or SYMM card, and they never mentioned any problems with little room for volume adjustment. So I don't think, that it will cause you any trouble. After all, the volume wheel is very accurate and you can set the precise volume that you need.
They may generally listen at higher levels that I do. I usually listen at about 80dB or when "loud" around 90dB. Rarely more than that. My problem is channel imbalance when I want to listen at medium-to-low volume, like 70dB.
post #384 of 534
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Originally Posted by HungryDaze View Post

 

Yes, HM-801 now defenetly has more gain. Also I should admit that I like the sound of the original firmware even more than of rockbox. Game amp now shows the difference between them much more clearly. Original firmware is more analog sounding.

 

No, that's not what I want to hear!! I really don't want to go back to the OF smile.gif

post #385 of 534
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Ah! Now we are talking again!
This of course needs soldering skills that is above basic level, since it is smd components, am I right?
Again, in order to give it a go, I would have to be shown exactly which to remove and which to solder on exactly where ...

 

I say it is a little above basic soldering skill. I learned soldering by DIY and I can solder SMD now, but never get good at it. You definitely need to practice a little before messing with SMD parts, but the most important thing I think is the right solder iron (temp. control, small tip) which does help a lot.

post #386 of 534
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

I say it is a little above basic soldering skill. I learned soldering by DIY and I can solder SMD now, but never get good at it. You definitely need to practice a little before messing with SMD parts, but the most important thing I think is the right solder iron (temp. control, small tip) which does help a lot.
Okay, thanks. I will have to get this done for me then.
post #387 of 534
Arriving beyond late in the game! I have just managed to buy one of the few remaining new 801's, should be here later this week and I am really looking forward to it! Already formatted one card and loaded some of my favourite albums on to it (wav) Eric from HiFiman has been so helpful with questions regarding getting the most from this player as well.
post #388 of 534

Spectrum.png

 

We talked about removing the output resistors a few weeks ago and I finally did just that last night, and the above is the result of HM801 driving SE530 (very much contrast to the HM801-SE530 RMAA done on anythingbutipod.com). Just show you how limited information can be misleading to a lot of people.

 

ampmod.jpg

 

It is as simple as soldering two wires. Now the output impedance is 0.2ohm.


Edited by ClieOS - 2/26/13 at 7:55pm
post #389 of 534
Thats wonderful I so envy those like yourself who can do this. Heck I just watched a fellow on youtube (farmall) even go the the lengths of etching his own printed circuit board as well as designing the circuits. It has always been a blank space for me, I used to stare and stare at school at it all and still it would not enter my head and stay there.. Still, I suppose there are things I can do that others find hard to do, takes all sorts to make a world eh!

Eric just sent me an email with the .23 firmware update ready to install if needs be onto my unit when it arrives, I cannot find anything about this update, anyone know what it does?
post #390 of 534

v0.23 was released a years ago, adding playback resume and user EQ, I think.

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