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post #1156 of 1468

Well david I am not experiencing any major issues with my Studio V that would make me not want to have it. IMO it is a clear upgrade to the T51 in sound quality, portability, simple and usable UI, humongous battery life, and build quality. I can't say the device is perfect but IMO its getting close to it.

 

I also can't say you didn't have any issues with them (Hi-Sound) in the past though. I had very bad Experiences regarding Teclast as well though ;)
 

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Thank you for clarification. You love your Studio V, good for you.

Just for your info, we had 'professional posters' from Hisound before (2009 - 2010). Hisound hyped up their machines, sales made, then disappeared -- young kids asked me for help; will this happen again? Similar tricks were used last two years in China (2010 - 2011). (if you can read Chinese, links are here and here.) Whatever I had mentioned , are all in public forum or my own experience.

The nasty words which Jack used in PM (2011 - 2012), were very simply words -- it does not matter whether one's mother tongue is English. (cyberbully comes to mind)

Edit: Add time-line. Does anyone believe Hisound has changed ?


 

 



 


Edited by lee730 - 1/18/12 at 11:35am
post #1157 of 1468

Thanks Lee, I was in error after viewing the pictures, this is a very good news, because if the DX100 is to expensive and look thicker :) I have another possibility for my next DAP. I don't expect to see a T52 soon with better components and UI :)

 

Anyway for the price the T51 is a very good DAP.

 

Edit : I can put it in my jeans pocket is not too thicker ?

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Migou67 how did you come to the assessment that the Studio V is larger than the T51? The Studio V may be slightly thicker but not by much at all. It is noticeably smaller than even the T51. Have you even seen one in person to come to this conclusion? Not sure if you ever saw a Sansa Fuze but the Studio V is about the same size as the fuze in size but thicker. I consider it more portable than the T51 easily and much easier to use as well.



 


Edited by Migou67 - 1/18/12 at 12:30pm
post #1158 of 1468

I can't disagree with you there. From the value standpoint to sound quality the T51 is one of the best sounding to price ratio. But with it comes many cons. For me the biggest con was reliability. While I was able to get over its retarded UI and comparatively short battery life, the fact that I could not get a 100% defect free device in the span of 3 months time just killed it for me. Even the fact that my first Hifiman 601 came defective on arrival doesn't help my feeling on the reliability front. WTF 3 players brand new and coming to my house broken RFLMAO.
 

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Thanks Lee, I was in error after viewing the pictures, this is a very good news, because if the DX100 is to expensive and look large :) I have another possibility for my next DAP. I don't expect to see a T52 soon with better components and UI :)

 

Anyway for the price the T51 is a very good DAP.

 

 



 



 

post #1159 of 1468

A total lack of quality controls to save costs ...

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A total lack of quality controls to save costs ...



Either that or just really (X3) bad luck for me :(

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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 The screen is too tiny for enjoyable movie viewing.

 

Uh, I've watched dozens of movies on the T51, the issue is the battery life, and having to recharge it from my laptop after each movie, and then after the flight, my laptop battery is empty, without even using it, the T51 sucked the life out of it so I could watch 4 movies, anyway, that's better than the battery life on my laptop for watching movies.

 

Why I am saying all this?  Because, for a little over $100, it's pretty cool I can watch movies on the T51.  That is one impartial plus it has on any Hifiman or Hisound.  Now, if Lee730 wants to say it makes you go blind and his iPhone he won in a slot machine walks all over the T51 for movie watching then that's his personal assessment and not very journalistic.  What if an 'impartial' article in the New York times said "well, the iPhone I won in a slot machine walks all over the Samsung", if you don't see my point yet, please try harder.

 

Now, if you do see my point, when I told Lee I'm assessing the different qualities of DAP's in a third-person perspective, he said "You can't do that Kiteki there is no best DAP it's all about synergy they are all different"

 

Now he is saying:  "The Studio V is clearly superior to it", "definitely superior to the crappy HO amp in the T51" and finally "The HO is the Sflo2s weak point in reality. Doesn't compare to the quality its line-out outputs and this is due to the amp section."

 

...when in another post he defended the amp section of Colorfly C4, saying it will "sound totally different", even if it uses the same amp section as the T51.

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"Bass also appeared to be tighter"

Yes like in wasapi.

 Nothing like that. Digital layer vs amp stage and an interesting acknowledgement by you that he tried the amp out. LOL

 

 

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"I doubt he never listened to the amp but decided early on that his amp was better. Why not use em if you got em?"

 

"You really need to chill sometimes. All these small maker far east specialty products have their issues and deal in propoganda, specsmanship and magic ICs that get mantra'd by devotees. Dac and amp chips don't really matter as much as the overall design and integration of same."

 

I'm trying to read inbetween the lines here, it seems like you're saying looking at which DAC and amp chips are used is pointless, and IC's are magic like cables, in the end, the overall design is what counts and we shouldn't open up any Apples or fast-east asian DAP's and look what's inside, so I need to chill and just look at the commercials and stop believing in magic IC's and DIY perspectives, come on, that is a pretty harsh statement.  Don't you think marketing and "overall design" has more 'magic' in it!?

 

"overall design" is a vague comment.  Anyway, listening to a DAP (or any device) with a portable amplifier will extend the signal chain and cause variations in sound, you're not supposed to connect a Clip+ to a Darkvoice, or assess a T51 with a UHA4 when 0.1% of the owners will have a UHA4, right?

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Why the dig? He's speaking from his experience and never aspired to be the the great decider of all things or to rule the posting realm. nudge, nudge.

Opinions are no longer allowed unless approved by Kiteki. LOL

 

Stories about half-price christmas specials and winning iPhones in slot machines are highly individualistic, and irrelevant to other users, so I said his assessments are non-journalistic.

 

I've never said the T51 sounds better than the Studio V.

 

So, whatever it is you're trying to say, try reclarifying, because I really have no idea.

 

 

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Kiteki you have said the T51 is a better player than the Studio V in a round about way. You say due to the internal DAC in the Studio V that is must not sound that great as it is only a med fi grade Chinese DAC. Just as you have posted that the T51 UI is much better than the Studio V. I followed that link you posted and the poster states the Studio V UI is much simpler which means must better to him. Much easier to use. There is absolutely no comparison in UI between these 2 DAPs. Even the 601 UI can't compare to the V.

 

And my response to your claim that the iphone is $800.00 is that I got my iphone4 for $180.00 refurbished (32GB). I also won an ipod touch around that time for a dollar and sold it for $190.00. Basically yielding me a free iphone4 when you think of it. So in reality it is you who is getting things mixed up and not I. I would never pay $800.00 for an iphone4 as its not worth that. But don't act like its impossible for others to get one at a reasonable price. The iphone4 screen is definitely superior to the one in the T51 and is much easier on the eyes. The truth hurts Kiteki. Get over it. Watching a small screen for long periods of time will damage your eyes eventually. Enjoy your amazing video experience on your T51...

 

And your comment regarding the UHA4 is retarded. The HO section on the T51 is using an amp to give you sound from the DAC. Using the line out feature on the T51 bypasses this crappy amp and allows you to get the sound that you want. You said yourself you are gonna mod your T51 to get different sounds. So I don't know why you find it hard to believe one would use an amp with the T51? You make like its altering the sound in a bad way? The feature is there to be used and its line out is superior to its HO and many have confirmed this on the Sflo2 thread. Your doing the same thing by basically plugging into your HO because it is also using an amp section which is changing the sound. If you plug directly into the Line Out it will not sound exactly the same as the HO.

post #1163 of 1468
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And Kiteki you make assessments even before you have tried the Studio V.


Assessments like it's selling for $175 and $440 at the exact same time, that the opamp is covered in glue, that it doesn't play video, that it has a two or three line screen, that it's thicker in size than the T51, that there are flame-wars on the Chinese forums about fake advertising, yeah.

 

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Also regarding your comment on using the Sflo2 via LOD. I am using the T51 DAC section and the UHA4 amp section which is definitely superior to the crappy HO amp in the T51. So I was still using the Sflo2.. Not sure where you get this retarded notion that using an external amp is not using the Sflo2 (while it is using its full potential).

 

OK, does the Studio V have a line-out?  Let me connect it with line-out to an external amplifier, I have the EHP-O2.

 

Then, I am using the Studo V DAC section, using its full potential.

 

Hold on a second, my X19+ has the same DAC section... I can use it's line-out...

 

Yeah, I should keep my $250, is that what you're telling me? I'm confused now...

 

 

post #1164 of 1468

Kiteki its implementation. Remember now you are only going based off of specs as usual. I told you that will not get you anywhere. If the implementation is crap, even with a good quality DAC and amp, you will still get crap sound. The internals also play a big part in the over all sound. Not just the DAC and amp. Listen and learn.

 

And I understand that you want to know exactly whats in a device. Manufacturers also have a reason to be weary about this as many like to keep their secrets to their signatures or house sounds if you will.

 

The Studio V does not have a dedicated Line Out section but a makeshift one through its head phone out. There's a setting to lock the volume at max ouput power and allows you to use the HO to external amplifiers. I actually find this feature quite useful and it completely resolved the hiss issue is has this way. I'd still rather just use the Studio V though with its slight hiss without carrying around a portable amp. It sounds good enough to overlook that flaw. Although not everyone is willing to do so and I can understand why.

 

One more feature of the Studio V is that you can use its amp section as a portable amplifier as well. It does sound quite good. The sound is comparable to the RSA mustang which goes for $375.00 alone. I think that's quite an interesting feature that I've never seen on a DAP before. BTW I also ordered the ibasso and will post some impressions on it. If its not anything meaningful over the Studio and Hifiman it will go for sale. I am hoping is at least smashes my 601 so I can sell that to recoup some costs...
 

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Assessments like it's selling for $175 and $440 at the exact same time, that the opamp is covered in glue, that it doesn't play video, that it has a two or three line screen, that it's thicker in size than the T51, that there are flame-wars on the Chinese forums about fake advertising, yeah.

 

OK, does the Studio V have a line-out?  Let me connect it with line-out to an external amplifier, I have the EHP-O2.

 

Then, I am using the Studo V DAC section, using its full potential.

 

Hold on a second, my X19+ has the same DAC section... I can use it's line-out...

 

Yeah, I should keep my $250, is that what you're telling me? I'm confused now...

 

 



 


Edited by lee730 - 1/18/12 at 10:45pm
post #1165 of 1468
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I followed that link you posted and the poster states the Studio V UI is much simpler which means must better to him.


No he said the UI on the Studio V is a joke, lol.

 

 

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I also won an ipod touch around that time for a dollar and sold it for $190.00. Basically yielding me a free iphone4 when you think of it. So in reality it is you who is getting things mixed up and not I. I would never pay $800.00 for an iphone4 as its not worth that. But don't act like its impossible for others to get one at a reasonable price. The iphone4 screen is definitely superior to the one in the T51 and is much easier on the eyes. The truth hurts Kiteki. Get over it. Watching a small screen for long periods of time will damage your eyes eventually. Enjoy your amazing video experience on your T51...

 

I won a 64" plasma for a dollar, this is much easier on the eyes than the Studio V. "The truth hurts Lee, get over it." "Enjoy your amazing video experience on your Studio V."

 

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And your comment regarding the UHA4 is retarded. The HO section on the T51 is using an amp to give you sound from the DAC. Using the line out feature on the T51 bypasses this crappy amp and allows you to get the sound that you want.

 

Nope, the HO section on the T51 is conneced to the line-out, seems like all your opinions on the HO were just placebo after all.

 

 

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You said yourself you are gonna mod your T51 to get different sounds.


Which will render all my views on the T51 sound invalid, what's your point.

 

 

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The feature is there to be used and its line out is superior to its HO and many have confirmed this on the Sflo2 thread.

 

Firstly I think someone using a cMoy with the T51 line-out, well, that's a bit of overkill, a lot of bulk, and increases the price to $200 or so total.  User "high_q" said using a cMoy with the T51 LO was pointless, as the HO sounded better.

 

Many have confirmed the HO sounds better than any iPhone or any SanDisk player, what's your point?

 

The critics of the HO section are looking at the chipset, TDA1308, you said the chips don't matter right, and the Colorfly C4 "will sound totally different", so I'm not sure why you're siding with the chip critics now.

 

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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post


So is the HiSound Studio Dap. But it's still very un-intuitive, complicated and frankly - butt ugly. Haven't tried the T51, I'm only bashing the Hisound player (which sounded great btw, once you figured out how to make it play music).


 

"studio UI is the most primitive and basic interface i have ever encountered. i'd be surprised if someone said it's complicated, and unintuitive.

 

ugly? yes. complicated? i gotta LOL here"

 

 

That is the post you are talking about. Not sure how Sorensiim could find the UI on the Studio V hard to use lol. I mean lets put it this way. Its so easy to use a Kindergardner could do it. Its basic common sense. The T51 is much harder to use than the V.

 

So the T51 HO isn't directly connected to chip but its line out? I guess that would also explain its lack of performance when compared to its LO. Still the amp section is a weak point in this device. You also just confirmed my point on the internals affecting the sound Kiteki (T51 headphone out wired to lineout). You didn't invalidate anything but your own comment.


I also never said the Sansa or iphone4 sounds better than the T51. Not sure what your point is with that either?

 

The T51 with a good portable amp is still superior in sound quality compared to its HO and I agree that its usually not worth carrying around bulk. When paired with the UHA4 I didn't find the extra bulk to be a problem as that amp is quite small already.

 

And regarding your comment on the Studio V screen. Its made to just play music and that is it. It does a great job at that and its minimalist. I much prefer this to half baked implementations to grab a sale.


Edited by lee730 - 1/18/12 at 11:24pm
post #1167 of 1468

This has become Lee's and Kiteki's dialogue.

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This has become Lee's and Kiteki's dialogue.



And you are the referee uelover ;)

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And you are the referee uelover ;)


Nah, I am just a spectator popcorn.gif

 

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Nah, I am just a spectator popcorn.gif

 



I'm over it anyways lol. I no longer own a T51 and nor do you for obvious reasons... very_evil_smiley.gif

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