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post #16 of 28
I actually like the Pico over the D10, but I didnt change OPAMPS and I am also in the minority. The Pico is about 200 bucks more with shipping.
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by Scott_Tarlow View Post
I actually like the Pico over the D10, but I didnt change OPAMPS and I am also in the minority. The Pico is about 200 bucks more with shipping.
Pico has better build quality, a better dac, and an improved USB implementation (asynch 24/96). I think it's better on an absolute scale but not in terms of value.
post #18 of 28
Glad to hear you're using this: I plan to keep it much more aggressively up-to-date than has been the case in the past, but don't hesitate to let me know if you find errors or need clarifications.
post #19 of 28
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Good deal. Another question: pricing aside, does the d10 match up well with the amp/dac pico?
post #20 of 28
Thread Starter 
Good deal. Another question: price aside, does the d10 match up well with the amp/dac pico?
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by ironman31 View Post
Good deal. Another question: pricing aside, does the d10 match up well with the amp/dac pico?
My opinion is that the pico is better, but the D10 I heard had (I think) stock opamps. If you are considering a higher end amp later, the Pico is very competitive with SE DACs under $1,000.
post #22 of 28
I thought pico's dac is the same as D10's? whether which has a superior amp is skeptical. D10 can roll opamps to change amp sound and also with optical solution. pico has a very good built quality.
post #23 of 28
the pico IS the same dac as D10 the WM8740/41 as a former Pico owner (it is now sold) that should give you some indication. the D10 with upgraded opamps is on par and via optical or coax is IMO a superior dac/amp unit.
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by qusp View Post
the pico IS the same dac as D10 the WM8740/41 as a former Pico owner (it is now sold) that should give you some indication. the D10 with upgraded opamps is on par and via optical or coax is IMO a superior dac/amp unit.
Didn't know it was the same DAC. In that case, the only reason to go for the Pico would be build quality or the higher voltage (?) battery.
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by ironman31 View Post
So if I got the p-51 now and wanted to upgrade headphones later, it would be sufficient enough to power most headphones around the 500 dollar range, right?
The p-51 will power headphones in the $1000.00 range also.
post #26 of 28
yeah the build is better absolutely, and the gain is marginally better than a D10 with higher outputting opamps due to the higher powered battery. but IMO there are many reasons to buy the D10 over it. the price being only one of them. the D10 accepts higher resolution input via optical and coax, rather than relying on up-sampling to take 16/48 to 24/96, its much more flexible and provides a true line-out function for driving other amps, is tunable via it opamp rolling and has support like I have never experienced before. I sent my D10 back for a service and even though I had modified it, because they saw I knew what I was doing, are still fully supporting and guaranteeing the product. they also installed the latest lot of updates to the power rail and coupling caps, updated the input and output jacks (bar the coax input), gave me the new volume knob and basically gave me a new version D10. I have since installed Blackgate caps and they are still supporting me. the D10 was returned back to me after these upgrades and also running a battery charge/discharge test within 4 days of them recieving it. thats fixed, upgraded and shipped to australia from china in 4 days!!! this sort of efficiency is why China is taking over the world.

@ OP: the P-51 would power your headphones, but would not give you a dac, so you would still be stuck with a crappy source. do not get caught up in the amp hype, portable amps do make a nice improvement, but they will not provide quality sound that isnt present in the signal in the first place.
post #27 of 28
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But of course that's not saying the build quality of the d10 is bad, right? For I will be using it a lot on the road and moving about.
post #28 of 28
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And other than a line out dock for an ipod, is there anything else I would need as far as accessories go?
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