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post #16 of 32

Are you talking to me?

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Originally Posted by roadtonowhere08 View Post
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AdamCalifornia: I don't know where you heard that story from, but if you take each track and listen to it by itself, you can tell that it is the real deal and not some crappy matrix mix or quad LP needledrop. I cannot prove that the source was the multichannel master tapes, but it sure as heck sounds like it.
The band did NOT accept the quad mix, period.
It is a well-known fact. That's why Parson
was not hired/invited to make the SACD mix
.


Look what I've found on the internet:

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Below is the info from the original torrent creator, which was a DTS encoded disc ONLY, so could not be listened on conventional CD players. I listened to the DTS disc of the original British Quad mix, and it sounded great - so I have created a copy via my audio CD burner in real time in uncompressed (no mp3 files here!) audio files.

Just double click the stuffed file, and it's formatted as Nero disc image. In fact, this disk image will also open in Toast (just change the extension manually to .Sd2f) but most people seem to use Nero.

Anyway, I hope you all enjoy it - it sounds marvelous, and so much better than the 'remasters' etc that have been released over the years.


ORIGINAL INFO FROM ORIGINAL TORRENT:

This is a DTS image of the highly rare Q8 British version of Dark Side Of The Moon by Pink Floyd. The band originally intended for their audience to hear the album THIS way, but unfortunately QUAD playback didn't take off like people thought it would. So, this Q8 was definitely an obscure item; in the UK, 8-Track cartridge technology was not a sought-after mainstay of playback like it was in the US circa the 1970's.

The 1970's British Q8 was an 8-channel, 2 program cartridge. In the US we had 4 programs of stereo; the British cartridge had two programs of Quadrophonic. Given the source, you can expect that the sound quality will be less than most versions of this album on CD or vinyl. Why post? Because it's TRUE QUADROPHONIC and really must be experienced to be believed, and especially because it is the rare original mix of a landmark album.

It is very interesting to compare this to the 5.1 SACD or SACD=>DTS image that is also available for download. Both the Q8 and the SACD are true surround sound, but the mix is completely different; I think this original mix is much better. Compare especially Clare Torry's solo in The Great Gig in the Sky. Since it came from much newer, fresher master tapes, the sound of the Q8 is much more dynamic, much less muddy than the SACD. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
(From here.)

post #17 of 32
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Where are they? I found an inexpensive player and have picked up about 20 DVD-A discs. I'll stick with the format, since it has hi-rez versions of titles not available on SACD.
King Crimson are doing their discography in 5.1 on DVD-A - releases starts next month

Porcupine Tree's The Incident due to come on DVD-A

uhm...

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
If there's a source of new DVD-A discs, I'd love to know.
I'll be updating my site (see my sig) when there are new releases

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
As for the DVD-A DSoTM... sounds like it was never a commercial release and is making the rounds of the downloading underground. I don't download, period. I'll grab the occasional legal download from archive.org, but that's it.
It's probably never going to be a commercial release. download it, listen to it then destroy your copy
post #18 of 32
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Originally Posted by SiriuslyCold View Post
King Crimson are doing their discography in 5.1 on DVD-A - releases starts next month

Porcupine Tree's The Incident due to come on DVD-A

uhm...


I'll be updating my site (see my sig) when there are new releases.
Really? The entire King Crimson discography? You can't see it, but I am nearly quivering here. Of course I'll buy it! I haven't heard much of Porcupine Tree, but I'll pick it up.

Oops... didn't notice your sig. I'll take a look when I get home.

Also, my new DVD-A player is in the back of the car. I think Yoshimi will get the first spin just as soon as I can jack it into the Zana. Most likelyto be followed by Pet Sounds and Automatic For The People. This will probably be a late night.
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by AdamCalifornia View Post
The band did NOT accept the quad mix, period.
It is a well-known fact. That's why Parson
was not hired/invited to make the SACD mix
.
I could not care less. The band knows nothing about how to mix or master a record. They play instruments and write astounding music, but they are not professional sound techs. I think Parson did an outstanding job, and many people who have heard the DVD-Audio copy agree.

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Originally Posted by AdamCalifornia View Post
Look what I've found on the internet:



(From here.)
That is an inferior version. Here is the info for the real deal:

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Originally Posted by Pink.Floyd.Dark.Side.Of.The.Moon.ORIGINAL.MASTER.T APE.READNFO-DVDA-iND
"Dark Side Of The Moon
From the original 1/2" Master Tapes

This is the real deal. not the usual Q8 or SQ versions with all their limitations
(limited bandwidth on the Q8, Matrixed surround on the SQ etc) but a genuine transfer from the original master tapes.
Finally you can hear Alan Parsons mix as it was always intended to be heard in studio quality audio.
The only "liberty" we have taken here is an additional .1 track. You can make up your own mind as to
whether or not it is a worthwhile addition.
It also features all new artwork in both sections specially created for this DVD-Audio release
The disc will play on all DVD players, as it is a DVD-Audio/Video "hybrid" containing the following:

Audio_TS
MLP Lossless at 24/96 Resolution in 4.1

Video_TS
DTS from 24/48 Source files
Dolby Digital from 24/48 Source files

Additionally, it is possible to play both the lossy streams from DVD-Audio players.
Each type has it's own menus. What you can access is dependant entirely on your player.

All Authoring, Encoding, Post Production and design is exclusive to this release.

FEEL FREE TO DISTRIBUTE THIS DISC TO OTHERS, BUT ALWAYS "AS IS" AND IN FULL.
PLEASE DO NOT RIP AND REPOST IN ANY OTHER FORMAT. THERE IS NO NEED AS ALL DVD PLAYERS CAN READ THIS DISC,
AND DOING SO WILL DEPRIVE OTHERS OF THE FULL HIGH RESOLUTION FORMATS USED.
ADDITIONALLY, RIPPING TO DTS-CD WILL INVOLVE QUALITY LOSS DUE TO DOWNSAMPLING, AND WILL
REDUCE THE LISTENING PLEASURE FOR OTHERS.
"
This DVD-Audio download is 3,687,434,287 bytes. Any other version is not the real thing.
post #20 of 32
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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Really? The entire King Crimson discography? You can't see it, but I am nearly quivering here. Of course I'll buy it!
I think 10 albums have been mentioned, Amazon and BurningShed has preorders for the first three (ITCotCK, Red and Lizard).

there's a 2CD, 2CD+DVD-A, but this ought to pique your curiosity

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KCCBX1 – King Crimson – In the Court of the Crimson King,
40th Anniversary – Limited Edition 5CD & 1 DVD-A Boxed Set

The Boxed set features all of the material on the 2CD set & all material on the
DVD-A as listed above in a 12” x 12” size box including King Crimson memorabilia, a full size 24 page booklet with expanded sleevenotes & photos + additional CD content as listed below:

CD3

The Alternate Album: In the Court of the Crimson King

1 21st Century Schizoid Man
(Trio version – instrumental)

2 I Talk to the Wind
(Studio run through)

3 Epitaph
(Alternate Version)

4 Moonchild
(Take 1)

5 The Court of the Crimson King
(Take 3)

Alternate takes mixed for the first time from the original studio recordings

6 21st Century Schizoid Man
7 I Talk to the Wind
8 Epitaph
9 Moonchild
10 The Court of the Crimson King

De-clicked vinyl transfer of the original stereo first Island Records issued pink label UK pressing run. Sourced from two vinyl LPs - one of which is Robert Fripp’s personal archive copy.

CD 4

1 21st Century Schizoid Man
2 The Court of the Crimson King,
3 Get Thy Bearings,
4 Epitaph
5 Mantra
6 Travel Weary Capricorn
7 Mars

Tracks 1 - 7 restored bootleg, recorded Live at Hyde Park, London, July 5th 1969

8 The Court of the Crimson King
9 A Man A City
10 Epitaph
11 21st Century Schizoid Man

Tracks 8 - 11 restored bootleg, recorded Live at Fillmore East, New York, November 1969

CD 5
1 21st Century Schizoid Man
2 I Talk to the Wind
3 Epitaph
4 Moonchild
5 The Court of the Crimson King
Mono album mix used for radio promotion only in the USA

6 The Court of the Crimson King
Edited, mono single mix used for radio promotion only in the USA. De-clicked from original vinyl source copies
check this audio out - Porcupine Tree's Steven Wilson talks about mixing King Crimson. Can you tell if its the new 2.0 mix?

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
I haven't heard much of Porcupine Tree, but I'll pick it up.
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia is the most accessible, and Lightbulb Sun sounds the best. get those and everything in between

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Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post
Also, my new DVD-A player is in the back of the car. I think Yoshimi will get the first spin just as soon as I can jack it into the Zana. Most likelyto be followed by Pet Sounds and Automatic For The People. This will probably be a late night.
I like Yoshimi for the mix, but the audio seems a bit rough at the edges. If you like the kind of music they have, everything on the AIX records label is a sonic treat.
post #21 of 32
I have DSOTM on SACD and DVD-A. SACD wins, the DVD-A is a bit soft and minor details get lost a bit. But then Wish you were here never came out on SACD but the DVD-A is out there, and its worth a listen.

Automatic for the People is very good, well worth listening to in surround.

Some other highlights for me are the Donald Fagen/Steely Dan DVD-A's Nightlfy and Gaucho.

PT dvd-a's are mostly good, but Fear of a Blank Planet was dissapointing, Deadwing wasn't anything special as well. I'd start with Stupid Dream which is easily their best DVD-A, followed by In Absentia and Lightbulb Sun.

Opeth's Ghost Reveries is also a nice DVD-a.

NIN Downward spiral is better on SACD than the dual layer disc IMHO.

BTW, A few of these are simply DTS, Dolby 5.1 DVD's are not true DVD-A's with MLP layer. But its fun to listen in DTS as well even though its not the best in terms of resolution.
post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by SiriuslyCold View Post
I'll be updating my site (see my sig) when there are new releases
In case you don't hear it much, I have really appreciated that site since I found it a year or so ago.

Thanks for your hard work. It has made my DVD-A shopping much easier.
post #23 of 32
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Originally Posted by virometal View Post
In case you don't hear it much, I have really appreciated that site since I found it a year or so ago.

Thanks for your hard work. It has made my DVD-A shopping much easier.
thanks! I wish it was harder work maintaining though... everything is down to a trickle
post #24 of 32
Yeah, it's a bummer. IIRC, there are a couple more acoustic realitiy BD's that have not been listed? Maybe I'm mistaken. Of course, there are more BD concert discs, but I don't see much of a point in listing them.

All in all, easy for me to say. It's not my labor.
post #25 of 32
I have read, not heard, that the original UK Harvest vinyl LP pressing has additional sonic detail that subsequent pressings, remasterings and transfers, CD, DVD-A, SACD, etc do not.
However I have not heard one.
I have heard the generic US CD and the MoFi Ultra CD and the MoFi sounds very good, but others claim that MoFi did not do a good job on that transfer when they compared to their old vinyl LP.

So who knows, really...
Edited by marone - 2/27/14 at 5:32am
post #26 of 32

when you guys are saying dvd....I assume you mean bluray?

post #27 of 32
Well for those who said there isn't a dvd audio of Pink Floyd Dark side of the moon well you didn't look hard enough...I bought the download from creamusic.net 24/96 6ch 8600 Kbps and the surround sound is amazing specially the song Money. Myself I think through experience if you have a well above average 5.1 system you'll find that Dvd audio has the quality over SACD. I started with SACD but changed over to DvD Audio.
post #28 of 32
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Originally Posted by Watsy1958 View Post

Well for those who said there isn't a dvd audio of Pink Floyd Dark side of the moon well you didn't look hard enough...I bought the download from creamusic.net 24/96 6ch 8600 Kbps and the surround sound is amazing specially the song Money. Myself I think through experience if you have a well above average 5.1 system you'll find that Dvd audio has the quality over SACD. I started with SACD but changed over to DvD Audio.

So you waited for over a year to make this your first post? First you say you stole the DVD-A from some website. Then you go on to say the DVD-A is better than the SACD when the DVD-A is just the DSD stream converted to PCM. Did it ever occur to you that the difference might be based upon your playback chain? Do you have a DAC that will play DSD without converting it to PCM?
Edited by Radioking59 - 3/17/14 at 11:08pm
post #29 of 32
As I can see you don't like to be corrected. If you noticed I bought the download and if you have a above average 5 or a 7.1 system then there is no doubt you'd agree DvD audio sounds superior simple as that.
post #30 of 32
If your wondering I have a Asus Xonar Essence STX sound card going to the Bowers and Wilkins 600 series a well above average system..My close friend is really into SACD and were comparing all the time..but it really comes down to personal choice to each his own. you really can't say one is better then the other except when it comes to variety and SACD does have a way better selection .
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