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post #781 of 1042
10/25/12 at 11:02pm
That's nuts, the same car goes for $7000 around here.
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post #782 of 1042
10/26/12 at 6:42am
I heard mini coopers have lots if mechanical problems, as a first car I wouldnt budge on it. I'd say get an Acura tsx ir Nissan Altima ser
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post #783 of 1042
10/26/12 at 9:01am

When I worked in the parts dept we had quite a few calls about the supercharged versions but none on the turbo versions. The supercharged ones that came in tended to fail after 110K mi range which isn't very high. I would love to get a Cooper S but they always go for a lot at the auctions. Im gonna go ghetto style and test drive one of the new Coopers (with no intention of buying biggrin.gif) to see if the newest version really did improve.

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I heard mini coopers have lots if mechanical problems, as a first car I wouldnt budge on it. I'd say get an Acura tsx ir Nissan Altima ser
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post #784 of 1042
10/27/12 at 5:47pm
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Im gonna go ghetto style and test drive one of the new Coopers (with no intention of buying biggrin.gif) to see if the newest version really did improve.

 

Exactly what I did today at my local Toyota/Scion dealer while waiting for my mom's service on her 07 Camry Hybrid. FR-S is a REALLY REALLY interesting car. It's soo driver focused and as almost every driving journalist says, the driving position is spot on. Luckily had a pretty youthful salesman with me during the duration of the test-drive and he gave me the thumbs up to REALLY try the engine a bit on the freeway (yes, this was an unexpectedly long test-drive). Engine has good top-end power, but really lacks the torque my '00 Legacy GT has. Car feels SO balanced, it's not even funny. 6-speed manual is nice as well, nice and direct shifts. Clutch is surprisingly easy to operate considering this is a car rivaling other cars like the Mazdaspeed3, which has a tricky clutch from experience. Rear seats are absolutely rubbish. I managed to get in, but my feet doesn't fit... For the record, I'm only 5 foot 9.

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post #785 of 1042
10/27/12 at 10:05pm
While I really like the BRZ/FR-S, very fun to drive, it needs a turbo. 250-270bhp would make it near-perfect.
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post #786 of 1042
10/27/12 at 10:20pm

I don't doubt that's gonna happen soon. I wish they would differentiate the BRZ and FRS versions more like make one turbo and the other slightly more powerful but even lighter.

I would love if they could squeeze out an extra 30-40 HP (keeping it NA; its gonna hard upping torque much) + more light weight tuning (backseat delete) but I don't see that happening, it would be too awesome.

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While I really like the BRZ/FR-S, very fun to drive, it needs a turbo. 250-270bhp would make it near-perfect.
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post #787 of 1042
10/27/12 at 11:16pm
The turbo kits are $5k and can be installed by any decent mechanic, though you do lose your warranty. It may be worth it to some, however.
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post #788 of 1042
10/28/12 at 6:07am
A co-worker of mine purchased the BRZ. I do like the interior and exterior design of the car but it doesn't pull like I thought it would. I think subaru should have designed the chassis for it so it could have been all-wheel drive. Maybe then can scrap it and make a BRX model with a turbo and awd, that would be a car worth getting!
I know people get excited about getting the new make/models of cars but unless you are mechanically inclined or have a lot of money I wouldn't void the warrenty. There is a much higher risk of something to go wrong.
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post #789 of 1042
10/28/12 at 11:18am

I've seen a few BRZ/FRS around, strong ricer community here. My only beef is that they're first-gen cars, something I've learned to stay away from if possible.

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post #790 of 1042
10/28/12 at 11:40am
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A co-worker of mine purchased the BRZ. I do like the interior and exterior design of the car but it doesn't pull like I thought it would. I think subaru should have designed the chassis for it so it could have been all-wheel drive. Maybe then can scrap it and make a BRX model with a turbo and awd, that would be a car worth getting!
I know people get excited about getting the new make/models of cars but unless you are mechanically inclined or have a lot of money I wouldn't void the warrenty. There is a much higher risk of something to go wrong.

 

As a Subaru fan myself, I don't really like the styling of the BRZ compared to the FR-S. Well, with that said, the only differences between the two are front ends, interior, and suspension setup. I like the Toyota GT-86 styling the best IMO, but that won't come to North America sadly. Unfortunately, an AWD is nearly impossible on the BRZ/FR-S chassis as there is literally no room to put power to the front wheels. I believe Insideline at Edmunds already did a suspension walk-through and mentioned it.

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I've seen a few BRZ/FRS around, strong ricer community here. My only beef is that they're first-gen cars, something I've learned to stay away from if possible.

 

True they are the first BRZ and FR-S, but you also have to consider the fact that this car has been under development for nearly 12 years from what I'm aware of? I believe they announced the project somewhere early 2000. But, already there are a few problems occurring with FR-S owners as with the Engine's ECU, but that's all fixed now. Another problem I read upon is how some of the body panels are a bit "loose".

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post #791 of 1042
10/28/12 at 11:48am

You need to look up that definition before you use it.

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I've seen a few BRZ/FRS around, strong ricer community here. My only beef is that they're first-gen cars, something I've learned to stay away from if possible.

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post #792 of 1042
10/28/12 at 11:52am

Forgot to mention this. One thing that absolutely makes me mad is it's really difficult to get the infamous Subaru Boxer Rumble with the BRZ/FR-S... The engine runs a bit too much like an inline 4 and unequal headers won't do the trick like with other Subarus...

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post #793 of 1042
10/28/12 at 12:06pm
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You need to look up that definition before you use it.


It's not people who purchase Japanese cars (particularly older ones) and mod them, mainly aesthetically? I do tend to use it for the fetishization of fast Asian cars in general, which I guess is probably wrong.

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post #794 of 1042
10/28/12 at 2:36pm
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As a Subaru fan myself, I don't really like the styling of the BRZ compared to the FR-S. Well, with that said, the only differences between the two are front ends, interior, and suspension setup. I like the Toyota GT-86 styling the best IMO, but that won't come to North America sadly. Unfortunately, an AWD is nearly impossible on the BRZ/FR-S chassis as there is literally no room to put power to the front wheels. I believe Insideline at Edmunds already did a suspension walk-through and mentioned it.

Right that chassis won't work with awd because Toyota designed it. I'm sure Subaru could come up with something better.
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post #795 of 1042
10/28/12 at 3:54pm
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Right that chassis won't work with awd because Toyota designed it. I'm sure Subaru could come up with something better.

 

Did toyota design the Chassis? I thought Subaru did most of the engineering in the Toyubaru while Toyota was mostly focusing on the business and design of it?

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