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Im very interested to see your modern version of the grand master meister of Group B. What are you going to use it for though, that sounds like its is way too much for the street. 

PS : id be way more interested in hearing your car (vid time maybe?)

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Originally Posted by loxxrider View Post

My personal project car is an old Audi... probably weird to most here, but it is currently getting dry sump, and all the custom work needed to make 800 awhp and rev to 11k RPM from a turbocharged 5 cylinder engine similar to what was found in the group B rally legends of the 80s. If anyone is interested, I'll post some pictures as it comes along.

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Originally Posted by loxxrider View Post

Regarding the 458 and the MP4-12C, I have to say it probably doesn't matter which one is faster because both of them are likely too much car for even the above average driver to handle. I drove the 458 at the track and it was capable of far more than my skills were capable of serving up. It is a very fun car and I would totally buy one if money wasn't an issue. I also drove a Gallardo LP560-4 and R8 that day. The Gallardo was absolutely horrible to drive, but the R8 was quite well-balanced, though obviously not even close to the 458 in terms of performance potential. I'd say the R8 is a great car for the average car enthusiast to get into and have some fun trying to extract its potential.

 

As far as the 458 not being as technically advanced as the McLaren, I just have to say that it has an incredible amount of tech which was able to keep me from slamming into the wall of a large oval track (while transitioning from the infield to the oval) at about 100 mph while spinning the tires. However, these safeguards can be turned off and then I agree, the 458 can be a pretty raw machine. I am not a big fan of the engine note however.

 

My personal project car is an old Audi... probably weird to most here, but it is currently getting dry sump, and all the custom work needed to make 800 awhp and rev to 11k RPM from a turbocharged 5 cylinder engine similar to what was found in the group B rally legends of the 80s. If anyone is interested, I'll post some pictures as it comes along.


an Audi Quattro? If it is, then i would like to see some pics. If you don't mind that is.

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The main problem with the 458 is dealing with Ferrari. It was like this:

"Hi, I want to buy a 458 Spider."
"Okay, you pay us $50k and we'll put you on the list and let you know when you can buy one."
"I understand there's a demand, how long is the wait?"
"We don't know, maybe a year, maybe more. If you want one sooner you will need to look at our pre-owned selections."
"None of those are Spiders, they're all coupes."
"It doesn't matter, they're all wonderful because they're Ferraris."
"Huh, well I'll get back with ya on that."

Dealing with McLaren:

"Hi, I want to buy an MP4 Spider."
"Yes sir! Do you have a configuration in mind?"
"I made one up online with all the options I want."
"Awesome! What's your user name?"
I tell him.
"Here it is. Wow, that looks great. Do you have Facetime? I have some cool things to show you."
"Yeah, let me get my iPad."
He shows me all the leather swatches, paint samples, and option diagrams. Even talks me out of the carbon ceramic brakes, because they're heavier and unnecessary for my purposes. He fills out the whole order, and in the process saves me about $15k.
"Looks like it'll be about 12 weeks to get it in, is that okay? I'll do everything I can to get it sooner."
"Yeah. Sounds good, I appreciate it."
"Would you like to go and watch your car being built?"
"I can do that?"
"Sure can, and you get a full tour of the facility and a free driving class."
"Wow. I'm not sure about that but if they'll let me know the day it's built I'll try to fly over."

Then he gets all my info, I send him an e-check for the deposit, and he sends a receipt. Two days later I get a box full of McLaren swag (shirt, cap, mouse pad, mug, key chain, wallet) and a personal letter thanking me for my business.

That's how business is done, Ferrari needs to take notes.
Edited by Magick Man - 10/1/12 at 9:51pm
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The car is not an urquattro or sport quattro or anything. It is not intended for rally either. The engine is the same as the ones used in the later group B cars, but it is in a 200 20v. I could have put it into a smaller chassis car, but I fell too hard for the larger chassis car to get rid of it. It is a great cruiser and is actually lighter in stock form than most modern cars (3600 lb stock... a bit lighter now however). I'm honestly not quite sure what the purpose of it is. I am a mechanical engineer by degree and just enjoy the engineering involved in designing something which can withstand the kind of power and RPMs planned for my goal while retaining some reliability. The challenge of doing that is one goal, but I also just love the fact that the car is a complete sleeper. It looks like a grandpa car, but can seriously get down and I love that. It also has a pretty nicely sorted suspension setup which allows it to handle fairly neutrally. However, it isn't intended to be used for serious track use because I'd build something lighter and naturally aspirated if I wanted a pure track car (that is another project for another day!).

 

With quattro, the power this car develops will be a little crazy for the street, but not insane like in a 2wd configuration. It will likely be de-tuned a bit for every day use (maybe in the 600 awhp region) and will incorporate a flex fuel sensor which can scale the fuel, timing, and boost maps automatically depending on how much ethanol is detected in the tank. The most significant part of the build will be going dry sump for the oiling system because the stock pump can't handle the RPMs we are going to throw at it. The block is a tall-deck diesel block from Europe, the head will be CNC ported and have solid lifters and custom ground cams, and the transmission will also be a 6 speed diesel unit from Europe. The tall-deck block (dry sump will allow this to be mounted 2-3 inches lower in the chassis) will be de-stroked from 2.5l down to 2.3l which will allow an awesome rod ratio and piston speeds at 11000 RPM which are near those of a regular setup at 8500 RPM. Currently the car is in NH so a friend's shop can do the work because I live in Saudi Arabia for work 2/3 of the year. It was just shipped up there a few weeks ago and the disassembly process has been started and parts are being ordered.

 

Here are some pictures of some of the highlights:

 

4" downpipe and wastegate re-route

 

 

CNC velocity stacks and runners inside the intake manifold

 

 

Turbo, exhaust manifold, intake manifold, etc. mounted up a while ago

 

 

Temporarily plumbed up to go up north

 

 

This is the bracket we'll use to mount the dry sump pump

 

 

 

 

Some suspension parts I made (everything has to be custom made for these cars as there is no aftermarket)

 

 

Adjustable height coilover suspension was fabricated and now the struts and housings are being shortened to allow more suspension travel.

 

 

 

 

Brakes are Porsche Boxster S for now (don't really have any good pictures, sorry!)

 

 

 

Current look

 

 

fun one night with another 200 (launch control/anti-lag)

 

 

I'll get pics of the more interesting stuff as it moves along... and obviously some video when it is finished (hopefully in the spring).

 

I don't really have any awesome videos either, but here is one from a few months ago. This was after kind of scrambling to throw it all together so that it could go to NH. I had to limit boost via throttle because my wastegate wasn't functioning properly so these pulls are at about 15-20 psi and 30% throttle. That is probably a good thing because the engine was also completely stock internally at the time haha.

 


 

I also had it on a smaller turbo before which was pretty similar to a friend's setup. Here is a quick video of his just for fun

 

 

Friendly race :)

 

 

One of our launch control battle at the Carlisle show in PA a few years back

 

 

and finally, another friend's car which sounds more along the lines of how mine will likely sound at full bore (although this is only ~8000 RPM)

 

 

 

Enjoy, and I'll be sure to post more as things move along with the new build phase.

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*SNIP

 

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EDIT: Oh yea I forgot beerchug.gif beerchug.gif beerchug.gif (yes there are supposed to be 3 biggrin.gif). If those things weren't so loud they would be perfect sleepers, I love me some sleepers.


Edited by alv4426 - 10/2/12 at 8:27am
post #757 of 1117

Thanks!

 

The way mine is set up right now, it is actually not too loud ('cept the turbo), but when I go for major power, the current setup isn't going to cut it. There will be an electronic cutout similar to the one used on the car in the last video. That one truly is quiet when it is closed!

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You're not alone:
http://jalopnik.com/5938170/how-ferrari-is-losing-a-generation-of-buyers

That! Yes, he hits the nail on the freaking head. I only talked with them (the Ferrari dealer) on the phone, but it was clear to me that they didn't give a damn whether I bought a car from them or not. There was no proper salesmanship or customer connection, only apathy. In contrast, McLaren was, "Please, let me help you buy a car, we would love to have your business. Let me explain why our company excels and why our cars are better."
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MORE TG, THE BETTER! Chris Harris is getting boring lately, I need some POWERRR from Clarkson. But, I don't know how much longer they can keep it up. They are getting old haha

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loxxrider... Cheers to you beerchug.gif Mad Props! If I had the money, I would do an 2.0 Turbo conversion on my Subbie, but I have no money biggrin.gif. I just want unequal headers for now so I can get the aggressive subaru grumble.

post #762 of 1117

Were the 04-08 Acura TL's fun cars for daily driving?

post #763 of 1117

I drove around a Type S(I think the only deference is a little extra HP from a regular TL) for about a week before it got sold, and it was indeed a fun car to drive and was actually pretty powerful and got good MPG. Interior was really nice too. It was faster than the WRX I had at the time (on freeway not acceleration)

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Were the 04-08 Acura TL's fun cars for daily driving?

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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

The main problem with the 458 is dealing with Ferrari. It was like this:
"Hi, I want to buy a 458 Spider."
"Okay, you pay us $50k and we'll put you on the list and let you know when you can buy one."
"I understand there's a demand, how long is the wait?"
"We don't know, maybe a year, maybe more. If you want one sooner you will need to look at our pre-owned selections."
"None of those are Spiders, they're all coupes."
"It doesn't matter, they're all wonderful because they're Ferraris."
"Huh, well I'll get back with ya on that."
Dealing with McLaren:
"Hi, I want to buy an MP4 Spider."
"Yes sir! Do you have a configuration in mind?"
"I made one up online with all the options I want."
"Awesome! What's your user name?"
I tell him.
"Here it is. Wow, that looks great. Do you have Facetime? I have some cool things to show you."
"Yeah, let me get my iPad."
He shows me all the leather swatches, paint samples, and option diagrams. Even talks me out of the carbon ceramic brakes, because they're heavier and unnecessary for my purposes. He fills out the whole order, and in the process saves me about $15k.
"Looks like it'll be about 12 weeks to get it in, is that okay? I'll do everything I can to get it sooner."
"Yeah. Sounds good, I appreciate it."
"Would you like to go and watch your car being built?"
"I can do that?"
"Sure can, and you get a full tour of the facility and a free driving class."
"Wow. I'm not sure about that but if they'll let me know the day it's built I'll try to fly over."
Then he gets all my info, I send him an e-check for the deposit, and he sends a receipt. Two days later I get a box full of McLaren swag (shirt, cap, mouse pad, mug, key chain, wallet) and a personal letter thanking me for my business.
That's how business is done, Ferrari needs to take notes.

Still though the Ferrari is a better car
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Still though the Ferrari is a better car

 

I seriously don't want to go through this argument again with Anax and you. Here's the facts. I know for a fact that I won't be driving either a 458 or a MP4-12C ANYTIME soon because I'm only a Uni student. So... Hopelessly, all I have to do is look at the facts easily via Google, at voila! McLaren is "on paper" better than the Ferrari in nearly every way. Driving feel and what feels better? How would YOU know that the Ferrari feels better? Have you drove one before? In fact any other Ferrari? Have you drove a McLaren? In fact any other McLaren? Which one is better for daily driving? I'm not too sure, but from "READING" articles, watching videos, I can conclude the MP4-12C is the better daily driver. Which one is better on the Track? Again, the facts back it up and the McLaren is better. Which company does business better? As Magik Man said above, McLaren by a long shot. I still don't understand why the Ferrari is the better car. To you, yes it may be more DESIRE-ABLE, but there's no reason why it's the BETTER car. Both are the epitome of a Track ready Sports Car, but sorry basketball, the facts show that the McLaren is the "better" car if we're talking about technological facts.

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