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post #691 of 1013
9/13/12 at 5:46am
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Nope, that would make it worse apart from the diff.  The 302 is so good because of less weight and better balance.  You can't fix the extra blower and all the added weight on the GT500.  Slower turns, earlier braking, more brake fade, more tire wear, less control.  Apart from the diff, the track package just keeps you from boiling the engine and tranny. 

As for good sounding American V8's?  I personally dislike the sound of most of them, especially the overcammed gurgle gurgle machines at low speed.  Now, an American V8 mounted mid-engine as in the GT40 sounds bad-ass.  It's the sound of the cross plane crank versus the flat plane cranks found in European V8's.  Btw, NASCAR uses flat plane cranks because they think it's sounds better than typical American V8's.  wink.gif

I like the sound of the 351 in the GT500, it has very throaty and muscular vibe to it. As for weight, most people don't go to a track, and on the road that amount makes little difference, I'd rather have the extra 200hp. That aside, the GT500 was quicker than the Boss 302 on the `ring.
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post #692 of 1013
9/13/12 at 7:18am
I still prefer the 308 over the GT500. I don't like the sense where the GT500 seems to be Fords statement. They are saying you can get 600+ hp under $70k. I don't even remember the prices of the two, but if I had to choose, I would be more inclined to the Boss. This all may change after a test drive, but I like the idea of a lighter car with plenty of hp and track capabilities. Besides, I'm biased toward N/A. And I don't think I can afford the gas for the GT500 lol..
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post #693 of 1013
9/13/12 at 8:44am
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I like the sound of the 351 in the GT500, it has very throaty and muscular vibe to it. As for weight, most people don't go to a track, and on the road that amount makes little difference, I'd rather have the extra 200hp. That aside, the GT500 was quicker than the Boss 302 on the `ring.

 

Only because of that long straightaway that goes uphill I'm sure.  

 

I'm of a different mind tbh.  The track is a more controlled environment than the unpredictability and imperfections of the street.  I'd like a more balanced vehicle car to deal w/ the unforeseen than an uncontrollable beast which should actually be used more in a controlled environment.  This is why you get people punting cars off cliffs or getting their supercar sheared in half by a light pole.  Their cars were not designed for our roads.  As someone who enjoys rapid velocity I'm well aware the street is no joke.  Bad drivers, bad pedestrians, rougn roads, dirt, debris, weather, oil slicks, random obstructions. 

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post #694 of 1013
9/13/12 at 3:03pm

Kirosia wants an Evo X MR as his MA daily driver, not that he could afford one.

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post #695 of 1013
9/13/12 at 8:12pm

Never fancied the Evo X exterior... I always drooled over the Evo 7,8, and 9. Same story with Subaru. Loved their early STi designs, but the hatch sort of ruined it for me. The new 4-door Sti looks much better IMO, but still falls short to the previous models.

 

New topic and this one is big news... M3 is going to have a Twin-Turbo Straight 6. Opinions? I like that idea. Apparently over 400+HP, and more fuel efficient. I never liked the M3 adopting a muscular V8 and IMO I think BMW's 6 cyls sound better.

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post #696 of 1013
9/13/12 at 8:28pm

I think it's fine.  Should have more torque but less firing cycles but who knows about the lag.  We'll see if they implement some new techniques to deal w/ it.  The 6 won't sound as great w/ turbo(s) on the exhaust manifold.  To me, a BMW w/o a I-6 isn't a BMW.  What would be the point?  I'd like it if BMW rediscovered what the interior of a luxury car is supposed to be like.

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post #697 of 1013
9/13/12 at 8:34pm
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I think it's fine.  Should have more torque but less firing cycles but who knows about the lag.  We'll see if they implement some new techniques to deal w/ it.  The 6 won't sound as great w/ turbo(s) on the exhaust manifold.  To me, a BMW w/o a I-6 isn't a BMW.  What would be the point?  I'd like it if BMW rediscovered what the interior of a luxury car is supposed to be like.

 

I like the sound of the 335i especially though. Personally, as a reference, I like the sound of the 330i over the 335i. I'm not a huge fan of turbos, but in their engineering views, it must have been the right decision for BMW. I also dislike how they replaced some of their I6 with turbo 4s.

 

BMW AND Audi... The inside just looks so... Bland. It's a safe look, no one can either HATE it or LOVE it. Have you seen the exterior colour choices on Audis? It's either shades of grey (no pun intended), white, black, or beige..

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post #698 of 1013
9/13/12 at 8:53pm

I hate the fact that BMW is no longer doing NA I-6s... I like the 330 sound over the 335 too (says the 330 owner, E46 forever yo ph34r.gif)

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post #699 of 1013
9/13/12 at 9:30pm

Is it true that BMW's are less reliable than other performance brands, and their parts and maintenance costs are significantly higher?

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post #700 of 1013
9/13/12 at 9:41pm
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Is it true that BMW's are less reliable than other performance brands, and their parts and maintenance costs are significantly higher?

 

No, not at all.  If you lease a new one they come w/ free service and maintenance for the first 3 years so they are supremely reliable.  Just don't buy one and you'll be right as rain.  wink_face.gif

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post #701 of 1013
9/13/12 at 9:46pm
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No, not at all.  If you lease a new one they come w/ free service and maintenance for the first 3 years so they are supremely reliable.  Just don't buy one and you'll be right as rain.  wink_face.gif

They are expensive in the first place tho. And if something breaks they will always come up with an excuse how it's not covered by warranty or their service plan.

And Japanese cars are considerably more reliable, less maintenance and cheaper labour than German cars.
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post #702 of 1013
9/13/12 at 9:46pm
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Is it true that BMW's are less reliable than other performance brands, and their parts and maintenance costs are significantly higher?


sadly, BMW is quite below the industry average of "dependability" according to the 2012 JD power's dependability chart. I don't know how much maintenance/parts would cost, but i would imagine them to be expensive i guess...? Porsche and Lexus are usually near the top, and this year they're AT the top. Toyota has always been regarded as a very reliable brand by many of my friends/relatives who are mechanics, though that is their opinion only.

 

I also agree that BMW interiors are lacking, and by this i mean specifically in the 3 and 5 series. For the price, i expect a little more luxury, especially since BMW IS some-what regarded as a luxury brand. Though i guess the sporty-ness may make up for it in some of their cars (335i). I'm excluding the M cars from this as they're meant to be sportcars so they PROBABLY won't be that comfortable on the road anyways with that stiff suspension (drove my friend's r35 and it was quite the bumpy ride).

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post #703 of 1013
9/13/12 at 9:52pm
Speaking of BMW and 8 cylinder engines. I think the 2013 BMW M5 is awesome. It looks great and is super fast. Not to mention the no cost option manual transmission.

And speaking of the 6 cylinder engines. I don't think we should rate on them. Look where Porsche is with them.
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post #704 of 1013
9/13/12 at 10:04pm

Who's bagging on 6 cylinders?  An inline 6 is not the same as a flat 6 btw.  Though I will bag on V-6s being an inherently bad design pushed upon us by bean counters and fuel sipping tree huggers.  biggrin.gif

 

Toyota?  Well, I've got one degree in Automotive Technology and my friend is a former Master Tech at Lexus.  We have 7 various Toyotas and Lexi between us.  They all still run and the brakes even work!  wink_face.gif

 

I do still prefer J-VINs myself but 1-VINs are fine if you know what to look out for.


Edited by Anaxilus - 9/13/12 at 10:06pm
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post #705 of 1013
9/13/12 at 10:09pm

Ill try to be unbiased but in my opinion BMWs are actually more reliable than other companies I consider to be performance oriented. Parts are more expensive than say for a Toyota but they are not crazy expensive either. Maintenance and repairs are expensive at "specialty shops" but those places just charge whatever they want because they know most people are too scared to work on their highly advanced German car (yeah sarcasm) or they know that a lot of the people driving them can afford to pay whatever they charge. I do most of the work on my 330cic myself, it doesn't have anything special that makes it impossible to work on. If you can work on a Toyota you can work on a BMW. The thing is that it is annoying to work on because they engineered the car to not have any wasted space anywhere on the car so you have very small spaces to work on. For example Ive changed a starter on my friends RSX it took me about 30 min; I had to change the starter in my BMW and it took nearly 5 hours because it is in the hardest place to reach from either the top or bottom cause there is no space anywhere. But I think my starter was actually cheaper by like $10. That starter and a broken O2 sensor (which was also like a 2.5 hour job) are the only issues Ive had with the car in the almost 2 years I've had it.

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Is it true that BMW's are less reliable than other performance brands, and their parts and maintenance costs are significantly higher?


Edited by alv4426 - 9/13/12 at 10:27pm
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