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Yeah but I think the motortrend cast took into all factors that concern a regular driver with money not an enthusiast. There are people with money that just like cars but are not enthusiasts. I think those types of people would take motortrend advice and just buy the 911. But I am an enthusiast and I will take the cons a sports has ie:harsh ride because in return I will get the speed performance and sound. I also don't like an all round car. I like pure performance.
Lol don't even know If what I said makes Any sense.

You say that, but after a 500 mile road trip in a GT-R I was ready to punch its lead designer in the face.

Also, the Carrera S has amazing performance, and a kick-*** soundtrack. The difference is, you don't feel like you've been wrestling all day when you climb out of it. IMO, being an enthusiast, and I am, doesn't mean you can't appreciate great aesthetics and comfort. I wouldn't trade my Carrera S for anything short of an MP4-12c, and that's a fact. What's even cooler is that Motor Trend didn't even have the best tires on their 911, they were using Bridgestone Potenzas. Mine came with Michelin Pilot SS, I paid the price to upgrade them, and they're better meats in every way.
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Well the gt-r is a hard core sports car, not so much grand toura which can be used for road trips, comfortably. 

 

I am not saying i don;t like the carrara S, I;m sure its an amazing car, but personally, I'd rather get a f430, 458, 599, or maybe MP4-12C in the right color combo. For me though a carrera S isn't sporty enough for me. I don;t need a full out racing look. But i like the ferrari aggressive look and growl. And also the ferrari is more special, I see porsche all the time, in fact a few blocks down the road someone owns a 2012 Carrera S but Ferrari is a rare sight.

post #678 of 1116
Ferrari 458 - $280k
Porsche Carrera S - $115k fully loaded

Of course the 458 is the nicer car, and admittedly drop-dead gorgeous, but it's in a whole `nother league. Also Ferraris aren't exactly known for their long-term reliability, and the upkeep expense can stop your heart. A tune up and oil change, $2000? Really? Sure, if you can afford the car, you can afford to maintain it, but that's still eye-watering. The Carrera S is, for all intents and purposes, the only exotic that's a good daily driver. I'm thinking the McLaren MP4-12C may fall into that category too, they seem to handle lots of regular use, though it's a little early to tell.
Edited by Magick Man - 9/11/12 at 6:19pm
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Have you ever actually driven any of the cars you are mentioning? 

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Well the gt-r is a hard core sports car, not so much grand toura which can be used for road trips, comfortably. 

 

I am not saying i don;t like the carrara S, I;m sure its an amazing car, but personally, I'd rather get a f430, 458, 599, or maybe MP4-12C in the right color combo. For me though a carrera S isn't sporty enough for me. I don;t need a full out racing look. But i like the ferrari aggressive look and growl. And also the ferrari is more special, I see porsche all the time, in fact a few blocks down the road someone owns a 2012 Carrera S but Ferrari is a rare sight.

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How about that new Viper... Just a smudge under $100k and you get 640 horses... http://www.insideline.com/srt/viper/2013/2013-srt-viper-first-drive.html

ZR1 killer I think... Maybe a Ferrari F12 competitor for MUCH MUCH less? I just find the rear to be... Odd... I like the older Vipers rears much much more.

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I have a problem w/ the rear as well.  I like the direction it's taking though.  I think it's about 3 years and a mid cycle refresh away from being something really special.  

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The new Viper... Well, I guess it's okay. But it's still a front-engined, RWD, US muscle car. Not that that's a bad thing, it's just that it's kinda pricey for what it is. If I were in the market for such a muscle car, I'd probably be looking at the Mustang Shelby GT500 for $55k. It's a beast at a bargain.
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Eww...GT500 is a waste of money compared to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca.  Neither of which could hang w/ the Viper on the track btw.  Believe me, I'm not an American musclecar guy at all and am quite the anti-led sled, but I can tip my hat to three things.  The track performance of a Viper, the handling prowess of the 302's live rear axle, and the compact packaging and advancement of GM's ancient pushrod tractor motor.  

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I too prefer the boss 302 as well over the gt500, even though the closest thing to one that I drove is a 2000 GT. The 302 is known
for it's track handling capabilites while the GT500 is known for having a ridiculously powerful engine for so little money. It's weird to think that Ford didn't base the GT500 in the 302's chassis... But I'm sure there were reasons why they couldn't (diff engine, tranny, weight etc). In my eyes, if the GT500 handled like a Boss 302, that would be the perfect 'stang. Apparently for their next gen Mustang, they said they will drop the live axle and put in an independant system.
I never liked American Front-Engined, Rear-drive cars, but things like the ZR1, 302 boss, and Viper are making me really curious about purchasing one in the near future... Yes their quality and finish is a bit lacking compared to the Europeans and Japanese, but they really make some good value for money stuff nowaways. If I had $25k to spend roughly, I would have to think hard about choosing between a FRS, WRX, and V6 Mustang.
Edited by planx - 9/12/12 at 8:12am
post #685 of 1116
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Eww...GT500 is a waste of money compared to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca.  Neither of which could hang w/ the Viper on the track btw.  Believe me, I'm not an American musclecar guy at all and am quite the anti-led sled, but I can tip my hat to three things.  The track performance of a Viper, the handling prowess of the 302's live rear axle, and the compact packaging and advancement of GM's ancient pushrod tractor motor.  

Lol are those your own words? Matt Farah said exactly what you just wrote on drive road testament. LOL
post #686 of 1116
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Eww...GT500 is a waste of money compared to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca.  Neither of which could hang w/ the Viper on the track btw.  Believe me, I'm not an American musclecar guy at all and am quite the anti-led sled, but I can tip my hat to three things.  The track performance of a Viper, the handling prowess of the 302's live rear axle, and the compact packaging and advancement of GM's ancient pushrod tractor motor.  

Nah, man. It's about the sound! That 650hp V8 sounds like God's plumbing. It's spine-tingling in person. smily_headphones1.gif Also, none of those reviewers tried the GT500 with the optional track package, with adds additional coolers for the engine and transmission oil and a beefier locking limited-slip diff. I thought that was sort of messed up, considering the first thing they did was take it to a track. Basically, it turns it into the Boss LS, with a louder shout and >200 more ponies under the hood.
Edited by Magick Man - 9/12/12 at 4:12pm
post #687 of 1116
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Nah, man. It's about the sound! That 650hp V8 sounds like God's plumbing. It's spine-tingling in person. smily_headphones1.gif Also, none of those reviewers tried the GT500 with the optional track package, with adds additional coolers for the engine and transmission oil and a beefier locking limited-slip diff. I thought that was sort of messed up, considering the first thing they did was take it to a track. Basically, it turns it into the Boss LS, with a louder shout and >200 more ponies under the hood.

 

Never knew they offered that package on the GT500

post #688 of 1116
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Lol are those your own words? Matt Farah said exactly what you just wrote on drive road testament. LOL

Lol, got a link?  Might have to check him out, sounds pretty sharp.  jecklinsmile.gifwink_face.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

Nah, man. It's about the sound! That 650hp V8 sounds like God's plumbing. It's spine-tingling in person. smily_headphones1.gif Also, none of those reviewers tried the GT500 with the optional track package, with adds additional coolers for the engine and transmission oil and a beefier locking limited-slip diff. I thought that was sort of messed up, considering the first thing they did was take it to a track. Basically, it turns it into the Boss LS, with a louder shout and >200 more ponies under the hood.

 

Nope, that would make it worse apart from the diff.  The 302 is so good because of less weight and better balance.  You can't fix the extra blower and all the added weight on the GT500.  Slower turns, earlier braking, more brake fade, more tire wear, less control.  Apart from the diff, the track package just keeps you from boiling the engine and tranny. 

 

As for good sounding American V8's?  I personally dislike the sound of most of them, especially the overcammed gurgle gurgle machines at low speed.  Now, an American V8 mounted mid-engine as in the GT40 sounds bad-ass.  It's the sound of the cross plane crank versus the flat plane cranks found in European V8's.  Btw, NASCAR uses flat plane cranks because they think it's sounds better than typical American V8's.  wink.gif


Edited by Anaxilus - 9/12/12 at 6:20pm
post #689 of 1116
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Lol, got a link?  Might have to check him out, sounds pretty sharp.  jecklinsmile.gifwink_face.gif

 

 

Nope, that would make it worse apart from the diff.  The 302 is so good because of less weight and better balance.  You can't fix the extra blower and all the added weight on the GT500.  Slower turns, earlier braking, more brake fade, more tire wear, less control.  Apart from the diff, the track package just keeps you from boiling the engine and tranny. 

Here is the link, its in the first 5 minutes, just listen through:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f--jqaYU-mg

 

Haha just listen to matt's comment about the breaks.Single piston breaks at 600+ horsepower.

post #690 of 1116
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Ferrari 458 - $280k
Porsche Carrera S - $115k fully loaded
Of course the 458 is the nicer car, and admittedly drop-dead gorgeous, but it's in a whole `nother league. Also Ferraris aren't exactly known for their long-term reliability, and the upkeep expense can stop your heart. A tune up and oil change, $2000? Really? Sure, if you can afford the car, you can afford to maintain it, but that's still eye-watering. The Carrera S is, for all intents and purposes, the only exotic that's a good daily driver. I'm thinking the McLaren MP4-12C may fall into that category too, they seem to handle lots of regular use, though it's a little early to tell.

2013 BMW M6 looks like its be a nice comparison to the Carrera S. And the BMW has optional Carbon Ceramic Brakes.

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