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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Actually Porsche did mention this in a press release and it's a change I've been long awaiting never being a fan of the RR concept.  They also stretched the wheelbase allowing for the block to be pushed forward while the overhangs were trimmed.  The Cayman is still the truer sports car platform but the 911 gets the power and goodies.  Porsche has been committed to having a Grand Touring car w/ rear seats as it's flagship.  They'll never allow a Boxster coupe to surpass its icon.

I've heard very positive things about the E-steering in the new Porsches as well as the FRS/BRZ too. 

I didn't like the Cayman as much, I test drove an S on the same day as the 911. There's too much understeer and no way to adjust it while driving, also the ride is too firm for the road, at any setting. Strictly IMO, the Carerra S is the best sport coupe under $240 grand right now. I'm not sure what the 991 Turbos will be like, but I can't stand the lag in the 997 version. It ruins throttle response unless you just flog the heck out of the car.
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Lol, compared to a 911 a F1 car understeers.  For > $200k there's no Porsche remotely close that I'd take over a 458, Aventador or McLaren MP4912!@E##@$.  Except the $700K 918 spyder.

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NO way, The 991 is not the best car for under 240k. The carrera S is like 130k, you are saying it is better than cars 100k more expensive. I would take a used F430 new 458 Or used 599 over the Carrera S. Then there are so many other options such as aston martin dbs and Bentley continential Gt supersports. The only porsche that competes with those are 911 GT2 RS and 911 turbo S. And those porsches have a MSRP of over 200k. 

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NO way, The 991 is not the best car for under 240k. The carrera S is like 130k, you are saying it is better than cars 100k more expensive. I would take a used F430 new 458 Or used 599 over the Carrera S. Then there are so many other options such as aston martin dbs and Bentley continential Gt supersports. The only porsche that competes with those are 911 GT2 RS and 911 turbo S. And those porsches have a MSRP of over 200k. 

Go back and re-read what he said. EDIT: Whoa, thought you were talking about a different post

As for me, I'll take a Porsche 991, but only because I'm like that, not because it represents some incredible technological advancement (McLaren) or raw Italian-ness (Ferrari).
There's a reason why it won the Motor Trend Driver's Car Award (probably because of money and partly because their test driver seem to enjoy it)
Edited by Planar_head - 9/8/12 at 11:35am
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I didn't like the Cayman as much, I test drove an S on the same day as the 911. There's too much understeer and no way to adjust it while driving, also the ride is too firm for the road, at any setting. Strictly IMO, the Carerra S is the best sport coupe under $240 grand right now. I'm not sure what the 991 Turbos will be like, but I can't stand the lag in the 997 version. It ruins throttle response unless you just flog the heck out of the car.

 

 

 

Really? Though I haven't had a chance to try out the new Cayman or 991 yet, I find it hard to believe that that the Cayman under steers more than the 991. As the owner of a 997.1 GT3 RS (converted to 997.2 RS front track) I can officially say the front end of a Boxster spyder superior to the 911. Porsche must have put in some serious work into the 991 to get rid of the front end pogo. Even with the wider stance, 255's up front, and full Moton Motorsport suspension treatment, my car still doesn't match the buttery smooth turn-in of or the easy of mid corner adjustment that the Cayman flaunts. I'm going to have to hit another Porsche driving school to give the new 991 and 987 a try



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The new 991 is much closer to the Cayman than before.  Closer to mid-engine, longer wheelbase, wider track and shortened overhangs.  I'm sure they improved the diff and torque vectoring as well.  Wider front tires do increase undertseer and reduce turn-in especially if you push out the offset to fit in the new rubber.  Improved handling dynamics don't always mesh with increased grip unfortunately.  A lot of the fun people have w/ the new FRS/BRZ are from the competent chassis riding on skinny Prius tires.

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Lol, compared to a 911 a F1 car understeers.  For > $200k there's no Porsche remotely close that I'd take over a 458, Aventador or McLaren MP4912!@E##@$.  Except the $700K 918 spyder.

 

The 911 understeers compared to a mid-engined car. You have to play around with a little trail braking to transfer some weight to the front tires once you start pushing the pace, otherwise, you'll be dealing with a healthly amount of understeer. It can also be a problem longer turns (such as turn 8 at big willow) where you're transfer weight off the front of the car while still turning, but easily rectified with a slight thottle lift. The death dealing thing that 911s are known for only rears it's head when you get it wrong (something I know all to well).

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Oh definitely a matter of weight transfer.  911's don't like turning while all the weight sits on it's haunches.  Even watching the last gen Turbos try to claw w/ AWD using the fronts can be pretty funny.  Something I've read was improved/fixed currently.  

 

Left foot braking.  wink_face.gif

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Lol, compared to a 911 a F1 car understeers.  For > $200k there's no Porsche remotely close that I'd take over a 458, Aventador or McLaren MP4912!@E##@$.  Except the $700K 918 spyder.

Yeah, that's why I said <$240k. biggrin.gif The MP4-12C is $240k now, same as the 458. I'm not sure what the incoming Lambo Cabrarra will cost, but I have a hunch it'll be ~$240k. Big shock.

Understeer isn't an issue with the 991, in fact it has a nifty amount of oversteer, and enough power to compensate. It's a really badass little coupe and much better balanced. I've loved it.
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Edited by bizkit - 2/19/13 at 4:39am
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I hadn't driven a 911 since the 996 came out. That to the 991 is almost like going from a Fiero to an Elise.
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Torque vectoring diff!!!! I've really got to look into the 991, it sounds like a blast.

 

 

Jumping from a 235 to 255 added a surprising amount of mechanical grip to the front and increased confidence to the front end. Now, I can't say how well it will work a stock car, because my suspension was adjusted to work with a wider tire; but I can say it was worth about a half a second a lap on average. While, I'm not a true member of the "wider is must better" brigade, I'll admit that I do have a tendency to run wider tires up front then the OEMs recommend on rwd cars to balance the chassis. I went to a square set-up (265's on all 4 corners) on my 1M to make it easier to balance the chassis with sway bars a tire pressure with a the added benefit of a little extra bite up front. But, once again, my suspension has the adjustability to deal with the change:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I tried the left foot braking with my old evo........ and promptly ran out of talent.

 

1M... Love that colour seriously... Short-wheelbase, front engine, rear drive.... Recipe for fun... Reminds me of my first car, AE86... Too bad I had to sell it off before getting my Subaru. Dangerously, fun car that. Best learning how to drive stick, oversteer, steering correction, car ever... Best year of my driving life so far. 

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My best friend in highschool had an AE86.  I can't even believe all the illegal (non-DMV approved) stuff we did in that car now.  He was a terrible influence on me, my mother was right.  very_evil_smiley.gif

 

I thought about getting a Moton setup for my MR-S but decided the KW V.3 was more practical for the street.  Still debating whether to keep the KW springs or refine the package w/ some Swifts.  Slightly reduced unsprung mass but their spring rates have a unique linearity and character which might not be ideal for the KW's valving even though it's adjustable on rebound and compression.


Edited by Anaxilus - 9/8/12 at 12:33pm
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Hahaha that was one hell of a car... Old school bliss. But now I'm an Uni student now, wiser and older! When I think back a year ago now, I seriously could have been injured due to irresponsible powersliding. 

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Originally Posted by Planar_head View Post

Go back and re-read what he said. EDIT: Whoa, thought you were talking about a different post
As for me, I'll take a Porsche 991, but only because I'm like that, not because it represents some incredible technological advancement (McLaren) or raw Italian-ness (Ferrari).
There's a reason why it won the Motor Trend Driver's Car Award (probably because of money and partly because their test driver seem to enjoy it)

Yeah but I think the motortrend cast took into all factors that concern a regular driver with money not an enthusiast. There are people with money that just like cars but are not enthusiasts. I think those types of people would take motortrend advice and just buy the 911. But I am an enthusiast and I will take the cons a sports has ie:harsh ride because in return I will get the speed performance and sound. I also don't like an all round car. I like pure performance.

Lol don't even know If what I said makes Any sense.
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