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post #1 of 92
9/17/09 at 10:59am
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OK,

... for some time i am reading arguing about different DAPs here !

People arguing, fighting, sometimes agree etc etc ...

Thing is, all we are victims of big companies politics! How is that ?
Just think about it ...

Ipod touch - they don't care about sound quality anymore, iPod is developed to you can run apps and games, and - there is money for company!
They need to find way to people give them money, there is no more concern about good codec, but about good and fast processor and better display [not really important for DAP] ... and again, even if you like DAP you already have, they gonna make you switch to new one - with more flash memory ...

They gonna make you keep buying new model no matter what ...



MS shut down all old models, and put the card on last one ZUNE HD - with same target, 3d games, full hd video etc etc ...
Why is that? They figure out one thing, old product lineup was complete failure, YES - for that big company this is a HUGE failure, and they admin when they announce they gonna shut down whole ZUNE production for good !

Zune gonna come out with APPs and games too, cuz - they are not different then Apple ... Sound quality - who cares - they go that far in cynizm with saying they are listening customers and this is why they put equalizer back on DAO ... That's just too funny !



What about better MP3 player ? No, this 2 big companies don't care about sound quality! Both companies older models sound better and have better codecs then new models ... Ipod Touch, and ZUNE HD are not MP3 players anymore !

Last stand company here is a Sony!

They develop awesome MP3 player:


Best sounding DAP ever, with all what MP3 players need to have and a bit more ... Small, robust construction, nice display, decent earphones - and something new to try - a noise cancellation it ... That's smart move if you ask me ..

How ever, is up to each of us to pick what we want ...
If you want to have average sound and some fun, get iPod Touch and all what come with it, ot even better, get iPhone !
Good thing is - you can always get cheapo LOD and nice small amp - M3 mini like and you are good to go !

Cant talk about ZUNE HD yet, but - i have bad experience with ZUNE and specially with ZUNE technical support, and it wont happen again, i am learning on my mistakes ! Is new DAP, and will hear all about in just couple moths ...
How ever, i am afraid there will be no way to make a LOD for ZUNE ...

Now, if you really want good sound - nothing more but good sound stop asking what is better, ZUNE or iPod or any MP3 player, for that money go and get THIS:



More info here:

Sony MZ-RH1 Hi-MD Walkman (p)review

Good old mini-disc player, with all quality you want ... For barely same money you gonna pay for iPod touch or ZUNE HD !

That's my opinion about today DAPS situation on market ...
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post #2 of 92
9/17/09 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by komi View Post
They gonna make you keep buying new model no matter what ...
I don't feel compelled to buy the new model. They're not making me do anything.
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post #3 of 92
9/17/09 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by azncookiecutter View Post
I don't feel compelled to buy the new model. They're not making me do anything.
i don't agree with you . they don't force you ,but they shure hell tempt you by machin of PR ,to give them your moeny .
(and please forgiv me on my english )
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post #4 of 92
9/17/09 at 11:31am
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Now, if you really want good sound - nothing more but good sound stop asking what is better, ZUNE or iPod or any MP3 player, for that money go and get THIS:
So why do you dislike flash-based walkmans?
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post #5 of 92
9/17/09 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by truejoker View Post
i don't agree with you . they don't force you ,but they shure hell tempt you by machin of PR ,to give them your moeny .
(and please forgiv me on my english )
That's why there's something called self-restraint. If the ad department doesn't try to advertise their product in a good way, they're not doing their job properly. It's up to the consumer to actually decide whether they want the item or not. They don't control your wallet, only you do.
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post #6 of 92
9/17/09 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by penartur View Post
So why do you dislike flash-based walkmans?
I dont say i dont like them, i have a fiew of them - i just say, if you are looking for best sounding DAP, there is no one MP3 player you can compare with latest MiniDisc players !
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post #7 of 92
9/17/09 at 12:11pm
SQ is important, but not the only DAP characteristic.
MD players are too bulky and a single MD can only fit 1GB of data.
And there is another players with uncompromised SQ (what means that we should go on compromise in some other aspects): e.g. iMod, HiFiMan, Iriver H1x0 + an external bulky DAC etc.
There never will be a "perfect" sounding; just as you're saying "there is no one MP3 player you can compare with latest MiniDisc players", someone will say that there is no MD players that can be compared with their beloved vintage not-so-portable CD player.
Have you really heard a Sony X? Does it really sounds so bad compared to MZ-RH1? Or is there only a subtle difference, that will not cover all of MZ-RH1 cons?
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post #8 of 92
9/17/09 at 12:14pm
I love MP3 players. I have nearly a dozen both flash and HD based and most serve different purposes. One for the gym, one for work, one for audiobooks where I really don't care about sound, one for video, one as a spare in case a battery runs out etc. So I have no restraint in this area but that's OK. It's not denting my account much and it's something I enjoy and I will buy the Zune HD when it's out. The beauty of democracy; it's my choice!
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post #9 of 92
9/17/09 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by penartur View Post
SQ is important, but not the only DAP characteristic.
MD players are too bulky and a single MD can only fit 1GB of data.
And there is another players with uncompromised SQ (what means that we should go on compromise in some other aspects): e.g. iMod, HiFiMan, Iriver H1x0 + an external bulky DAC etc.
There never will be a "perfect" sounding; just as you're saying "there is no one MP3 player you can compare with latest MiniDisc players", someone will say that there is no MD players that can be compared with their beloved vintage not-so-portable CD player.
Have you really heard a Sony X? Does it really sounds so bad compared to MZ-RH1? Or is there only a subtle difference, that will not cover all of MZ-RH1 cons?
Well, i dont think portable MD players are bulky, and i think is enough to say to SONY HI-MD are part of SONY professional department - cuz of sound quality, and another thing, HI-MD capacity is only 1gb, but they are dirt cheap, i got SONY 8 pack HI-MD discs for 3.50$ [not a piece - all 8 for 3.50$] on sale and i think i got like 100 unopened @ home ...

Its easy to make nice play lists and put on MD, and - you just pick what you want ... Thats me, i like it ...

There a SONY factory specs:

MD WALKMAN® MZ-RH1
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post #10 of 92
9/17/09 at 12:34pm
Companies dont force you to buy new model ...
it is us who wants more from time to time and desire more ...
is it not that the company develop a product which include all the features ...
dont they want to come up with a product with all basic and required features included...
and bring a BANG!! in the market by launching such a product....they may make HUGE profit but for once ..... and now they are intentionally producing such products so that you buy again and again ... and they make profits again and again ....!!
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post #11 of 92
9/17/09 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by wantmyf1 View Post
The beauty of democracy; it's my choice!
Agree !
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post #12 of 92
9/17/09 at 1:26pm
I have a $400 SHARP MD player (from the golden days). It can't compare to my SONY S639. No way I'm going to run around with an MD player and discs! However I also think that the only player still standing (in mass production) is the SONY WALKMAN. It did get forgotten, they did let the IPOD do its thing in the past 5 years. SONY should put a lot of money into advertising and make the point that an iPod sounds badly no matter how hip it is. Do you want your music sound good? Buy a Sony! I can't believe that one can't hear the difference!
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post #13 of 92
9/17/09 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by truejoker View Post
i don't agree with you . they don't force you ,but they shure hell tempt you by machin of PR ,to give them your moeny .
(and please forgiv me on my english )
Any sony don't do this? They release more models every year than any other company I know, each stating that it sounds better than the last. If that is true, then just two years ago, the sony player must have sounded rubbish.

All companies market, all 'make' you buy more by marketing. there is no company who is innocent from this practice, sony least of all.

the fact that sony markets theirs as great sounding is a load of mouthwash. simply put, they sound good, but they are by no means the best. in certain areas, they have one of the most accurate sounds, but they lose out in other areas, just like any company out there. back to back with the zune or the ipod touch even, all three come out to almost a dead draw for a variety of 'sound quality' measures.

the fact is: all companies want your money. this thread is perfect proof of that.
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post #14 of 92
9/17/09 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
Any sony don't do this? They release more models every year than any other company I know, each stating that it sounds better than the last. If that is true, then just two years ago, the sony player must have sounded rubbish.

All companies market, all 'make' you buy more by marketing. there is no company who is innocent from this practice, sony least of all.

the fact that sony markets theirs as great sounding is a load of mouthwash. simply put, they sound good, but they are by no means the best. in certain areas, they have one of the most accurate sounds, but they lose out in other areas, just like any company out there. back to back with the zune or the ipod touch even, all three come out to almost a dead draw for a variety of 'sound quality' measures.

the fact is: all companies want your money. this thread is perfect proof of that.
QFT
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post #15 of 92
9/17/09 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post
Any sony don't do this? They release more models every year than any other company I know, each stating that it sounds better than the last. If that is true, then just two years ago, the sony player must have sounded rubbish.

All companies market, all 'make' you buy more by marketing. there is no company who is innocent from this practice, sony least of all.

the fact that sony markets theirs as great sounding is a load of mouthwash. simply put, they sound good, but they are by no means the best. in certain areas, they have one of the most accurate sounds, but they lose out in other areas, just like any company out there. back to back with the zune or the ipod touch even, all three come out to almost a dead draw for a variety of 'sound quality' measures.

the fact is: all companies want your money. this thread is perfect proof of that.

OK, but again, right now, if you have 400 bucks to buy DAP, what you will buy ?
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