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post #16 of 30
10/26/09 at 2:29pm
Nice troll, you used too many quotation marks, though, Aryntha. Gives you away. Better luck next time.
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post #17 of 30
10/28/09 at 4:38am
SACDs getting scarce especially copies of my favorite 70s/80s rock bands ..i was only able to grab a few from amazon.com

price kept climbing ... sometimes to a discouraging level ? ... here is a sample.. a whooooping US$1200.00 for a brand new box set of a relatively new band
Amazon.com: Sacd Boxset: Dead Can Dance: Music
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post #18 of 30
10/28/09 at 9:13am
Harder to find? More and more new classical recordings are being offered in SACD.
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post #19 of 30
10/28/09 at 5:51pm
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SACDs getting scarce especially copies of my favorite 70s/80s rock bands ..i was only able to grab a few from amazon.com
I agree. You should try ebay instead.
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post #20 of 30
10/28/09 at 6:10pm
What I wonder about is China? I found this little store that had Sacd imports of tons of stuff that I did not know was out in the format, Star Wars Soundtracks, Queen, just to name a few. It seems China has taken a hold of the format. The prices were $11.00 -$13.00 USD which was shocking given the regular price for US releases.
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post #21 of 30
10/28/09 at 6:12pm
FWIW, Hybrid SACDs can be ripped to a PC (the CD layer) so they can be "backed up" just like any CD.
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post #22 of 30
10/28/09 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by aryntha View Post
*uses too many quotation marks*

There is a troll, and so can you!
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post #23 of 30
10/28/09 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post
FWIW, Hybrid SACDs can be ripped to a PC (the CD layer) so they can be "backed up" just like any CD.
you're not quite getting the idea of backing up and/or SACD

It's the high resolution layer that needs to be backed up, in case the SACD - or DVD-A - is damaged. Chances are they are already out of print and can't be bought again. Unlike a CD which you can run out and buy if you happen to lose or break one

so backing up the CD layer of a hybrid isn't backing up an SACD
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post #24 of 30
10/28/09 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by SiriuslyCold View Post
you're not quite getting the idea of backing up and/or SACD

It's the high resolution layer that needs to be backed up, in case the SACD - or DVD-A - is damaged. Chances are they are already out of print and can't be bought again. Unlike a CD which you can run out and buy if you happen to lose or break one

so backing up the CD layer of a hybrid isn't backing up an SACD
There are thousands of CDs out of print you can not just go out and buy.
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post #25 of 30
10/28/09 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by SiriuslyCold View Post
you're not quite getting the idea of backing up and/or SACD

It's the high resolution layer that needs to be backed up, in case the SACD - or DVD-A - is damaged. Chances are they are already out of print and can't be bought again. Unlike a CD which you can run out and buy if you happen to lose or break one

so backing up the CD layer of a hybrid isn't backing up an SACD
And so this is an argument AGAINST buying SACD's???? That makes no sense to me at all.

I have hundreds of SACDs, and several SACD players, so I can assure you I "get" the idea of SACD. It has never once bothered me that I can't "back up" the hi-res layer. Name ONE format besides CD where you actually CAN do this. In the old days you could make reel-to-reel tapes of LP's - I suppose if you were really crazy about it, you could take the analog out of an SACD player and feed it into a very high-res A>D converter and rip 96/24 FLAC files from that, and it would perhaps sound better than just ripping the CD layer of the hybrid.

There is no rational justification for not buying SACDs on this basis.
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post #26 of 30
10/28/09 at 11:12pm
This is my only point:

Backing up the hybrid layer of a SACD is not backing up the SACD
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post #27 of 30
10/29/09 at 12:22am
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Originally Posted by Redcarmoose View Post
What I wonder about is China? .
A good thing to wonder about. Are there any decent online importers? I imagine their relatively weak currency is a factor. For example, the golden era for SACD acquisition in the U.S., was several years ago during the dollar's last upswing. I remember picking up the Depeche Mode imports for $12 each as an example.
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post #28 of 30
10/29/09 at 6:16pm
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Backing up the hybrid layer of a SACD is not backing up the SACD
I see your point, but this is where we are headed. Many Blu-ray discs have a digital copy that is in lower quality than the actual HD version.

I think the makers do not want us to rip the SACD/HD copies to distribute them on the web. They see what happened to the CD market and probably determined that it would kill SACD. As it is, SACD is a small niche, and I like it, but it is hard to find titles I want (I bought a lot of the stuff I want already).
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post #29 of 30
10/29/09 at 9:30pm
Are you guys saying a physical copy can't be be made of a SACD or DVD-A?

I can't find it at the moment, but a recent purchase of a re-issued album came with a DVD that had a 5.1 and 24 bit version of the album, yet did not require DVD-A. That's probably the optimum thing.
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post #30 of 30
10/29/09 at 10:42pm
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Are you guys saying a physical copy can't be be made of a SACD or DVD-A?
DVD-A possibly, SACD definitely not (ok, you could record from an analog line-out in whatever resolution you like, but a direct digital copy is not possible)

I wonder what happened to the once reported PC adapter for iLink audio - the firewire interface is available on PCs but there was never a software implementation to take audio in from a iLink player. Maybe some enterprising hacker could make an AV receiver simulation on the PC side...

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Originally Posted by Moontan13 View Post
I can't find it at the moment, but a recent purchase of a re-issued album came with a DVD that had a 5.1 and 24 bit version of the album, yet did not require DVD-A. That's probably the optimum thing.
if it didn't require DVD-A it's most likely a DTS or DD 5.1 audio stream in the Video layer. The source is no doubt a 24/48 or 24/96 5.1 stream but it is compressed (lossy) using DD or DTS. So you are getting 5.1 but in a lossy format = not optimum.
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