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post #16 of 110
Thread Starter 
so the consenus on my fps1800s is that they suck?
post #17 of 110

I don't count myself a learned audiophile...

But I went on a search for some cheap but good computer speakers at Fry's last year. And I got a 3-piece digital system by cambridge for 75 dollars that sound quite good. I couldn't find anything near the sound until I got into the $200 price range. And then most of the speakers that sounded better were by cambridge as well.

One nice thing about cambridge is that the bass control doesn't control all of the speakers. It just controls the subwoofer. For instance most Altec Lansing bass controls will lower or higher the base for all of the speakers connected so you get these little speakers distorting like crazy because they are trying to make sounds that they can't handle. Anyway I was impressed they are quite good for the price. And as a poor college student cheap is very nice.

Jamie
post #18 of 110
The consensus is that Cambridge hasn't made any good multimedia speakers yet.



Guys, if you wanna learn about computer speakers, start hanging out at that 3dss forum! trust me!
post #19 of 110
I can tell ya right now, go and get a nice pair of bookshelves made by an audiophile company, and a nice integrated amp. For music, it will completely destroy anything the PC world can ever produce. Add a sub and it'll destroy everything the PC world can ever make for gaming as well. I found myself making full use of audio cues once again in games such as Quake 3 after getting my Triangle Titus, something I never bothered doing ever since I left my Klipsh Promedias back home to fly off to college. These speakers just image and soundstage SO good and SO much better than all the other 3 piece computer speakers out there, it's as if I'm already running with 4 speakers or headphones for the audio cues.

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The consensus is that Cambridge hasn't made any good multimedia speakers yet.
That's plain and simple exaggerated B.S. And I know my fair share of computer speakers quite well, thank you very much. I'd give credit to Cambridge just for breaking the PC world into 4.1 speaker gaming if anything with their FPS 1000, which was actually my first set of PC speakers ever. Their sub wasn't very useful at louder volumes, but it still sounded incredibly good given the types of PC speakers on the market at that time. On the low end budget scale, I found it very hard to beat the FPS 1000 for just some fun, given it can be picked up for $50 used, or the Boston BA-635s if one just wants a little music.

Nowdays I'd totally have to go with Klipsch if I wanted some all out PC speakers. Their 5.1 Promedia system totally kills the other PC 5.1 speakers. For music, I'd go with one of those Videologic 2.1 systems.

But once again, all these speakers are null in the face of a good audiophile bookshelf set combined with an integrated amp. For music purposes, I'd be happy to put my Tituses up against anything the PC world can offer, regardless of price. Throw in those Videologic ones even. I already know what would win. Especially if I get around to adding a sub someday.
post #20 of 110
Well, they made REVOLUTIONARY computer speakers, but not ones that cater to a lot of the fairly basic audiophile needs, you know?

So, you would say that these two sets of speakers aren't 'good'? They're multimedia...

Homepage for these:

http://www.av123.com/divaproducts.html

Review for these:

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...1/swanm200.htm

Homepage for these:

http://www.videologic.com/Products/V...oduct=VL-60402

Review for these:

http://www.3dsoundsurge.com/reviews/...iroccoPro.html
post #21 of 110
Andrezpjw - the FPS1800s aren't bad computer speakers, but you are comparing them with audiphile equipment. It is that simple.

Bah. While you guys know a lot about headphones, ya don't know much about computer speakers.

The FPS1000s were the first 4 point setup in a box, and they are basically the same thing as the PCWorks (Which I own a set of) with 4 sats and a slightly more powerful amp. A year before the FPS1000s came out I had a hack-job setup with a pair of Altec Lansing ACS-48s for fronts, and the Microwors for rears. The Altec 48s are one of my favorite computer speaker. Much warmer sounding then the Klipsches and CSW speakers, they were easier to listen to, althought they were poor at low volume, and the mids got somewhat muddled at louder volumes.

I don't know about the Monsoons you mentioned, but the Monsoons I have heard have the best imaging for PC speakers, and have a very neutral sound. As a general rule of thumb, they are very lean on the bass side. (And midbass too)

CSW makes some decent computer speakers, but they aren't anything amazing that blows away other stuff in their class. The Microworks are excellent speakers, but I think the Monsoons are going to be more accurate. BA makes similar sized/styled speakers to CSW, and BA's sound better. The sub usually isn't as overdriven as the CSW ones. The PCworks/FPS1000 sub is a little 4" speaker in a tiny platic enclosure. The crossover is like 200-220Hz, the sattelites are incredibly tinny sounding without the sub playing. If anything, they sound more like Bose then Monsoon or BA.

The new Megaworks set looks like it will be much more competitive then their older higher end models, which looked like they reused the sattelites from the CSW Soundworks, which were IMO very nice speakers.

Altec Lasning's best speakers I have heard were the ACS-48s. The new ones aren't as good, although one of their newer sets comes close. The Altecs that look like the ACS-33s sound like crap, and some of their other new designs sound like crap too, also.


As a general rule of thumb, from forwardness to laidbackness for computer speakers of major brands, Altecs are in general by far the most laid back sounding, but some like the ATP3 go away from that trend:

Klipsch
CSW (Cheaper)
Altec (Some new models)
Monsoon
CSW (Higher end)
BA
Altec Lansing

My PCWorks are very forward sounding, this is more because the sats can't do lower mids even, and the sub is so badly overdriven it is a joke, so you have to have the sub down very low to get a decent sound in dynamic music. It gets boomy way too quickly.

Monsoon subs more closely resemble CSW subs in sound - being somewhat overdriven/underpowered compared to the BA and Altec ones, and badly overdriven compared to the Klipsch ones.

Klipsches sound forward, harsh, and boomy as a general rule of thumb.

CSW speakers vary more - the cheap ones sound forward, peaky subs that are underpowered.

Altec-Lansings generally have a warmer sound, with more oomph, but many of their models have a nasty hollow sound.

Monsoons sound the most neutral to me, leaning somewhat towards a forward sound because lower mids could be more prominent and in most of the systems the sub is just an afterthought.

BA speakers are the most accurate sounding cheap speakers to me, and the subs aren't much better off then the CSW speakers.

Again, this is just a general rule of thumb kind of thing, Altec Lansing makes speakers that have all different kinds of sounds, but more of them are laid back then forward. Klipsch, on the other hand, has a consistent sound from model to model. Monsoon does to an extent, and BA does too.

Did I mention I hate those speakers with the new "microdrivers" like the soundsticks JBL makes for Apple and the newer Altec Lansing ones? Those 1" speakers have amazing excursion capabilites, and I wonder if they will pop out or something .
post #22 of 110
Gluegun wrote:
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The consensus is that Cambridge hasn't made any good multimedia speakers yet.
Consensus where? Not anywhere where people have actually listened to them! Sorry Gluegun, but CSW are the Koss KSC-35 of computer speakers -- they aren't the best in the world, but they're surprisingly good for the price, and sound a lot better than some of the more well-known, and more expensive, computer speakers. It's one thing to say they aren't as good as something else. But anyone who says they haven't made any good multimedia speakers either a) doesn't know what he's talking about; and/or b) just likes to hear himself say something that sounds authoritative

CSW was the first company to take computer/multimedia speakers seriously, long before they were purchased by Creative. They were the first (and for a while, maybe the only) company to produce computer speakers that were actually *good.*

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Guys, if you wanna learn about computer speakers, start hanging out at that 3dss forum! trust me!
If "learning" about computer speakers means "learning" that Cambridge hasn't made any good multimedia speakers yet... maybe my next step should be to "learn" about good speakers in a Bose forum.

The best computer speaker system in the world is supposedly the Acoustic Energy AEG02; have they even heard of those over there? Probly not


Xevion wrote:
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Bah. While you guys know a lot about headphones, ya don't know much about computer speakers.
Xevion, I've heard most of the speakers being mentioned here. CSW aren't the end-all, be-all in computer speakers, but for the price they're still hard to beat. The $125 CSW surround system is significantly better, to my ears, than the Monsoon 505 surround system for $180.


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Again, this is just a general rule of thumb kind of thing,
I quoted this here first, because after reading your post, it's clear that you're basing your comments about CSW on their bottom-of-the-line (PC Works) which isn't in the same league as their other three or four models.

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The sub usually isn't as overdriven as the CSW ones.
Xevion, the subs on CSW sets are only "overdriven" if the user *sets* them that way (well except for the PC Works I don't really include those when I talk about CSW stuff, since CSW only made them to grab some of the entry-level market). The CSW speakers all have a separate level control for the sub; once you set that, the sub uses the main volume control to keep a volume proportional to the sats. But the SoundWorks, MicroWorks, and MegaWorks subs are all very good. So the only reason you'll get overblown bass is if the user has set it too high.

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PCworks/FPS1000 sub is a little 4" speaker in a tiny platic enclosure. The crossover is like 200-220Hz, the sattelites are incredibly tinny sounding without the sub playing. If anything, they sound more like Bose then Monsoon or BA.
You're comparing the BOTTOM of the CSW line (PC Works, which cost $35 for a 2.1 system, or around $65 for a 4.1 system) to the Monsoons and Boston Acoustics (which are $180 or more). Not exactly the best comparison If you're going to talk about the BA or the Monsoon 505, at least compare them with the FPS2000 or DTT2500, which are in the same price range. The 505 sell for $180 -- five times as much as the PC Works.

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The new Megaworks set looks like it will be much more competitive then their older higher end models, which looked like they reused the sattelites from the CSW Soundworks, which were IMO very nice speakers.
The MicroWorks was their older higher-end model (actually it was the model twelve, but that was more of a portable speaker system than a computer speker). The MicroWorks use a completely different sat and sub than the SoundWorks (a better one, IMO, which is why the MicroWorks is on my desk and the SoundWorks is in the closet ).

On the other hand, their FPS2000 and DTT2500 4.1 systems did use SoundWorks sats -- since you feel they're very nice, I'm suprised that you disagree with me that these systems are better than the Monsoons (and for less money).

Altec-Lansing, I'm not a fan of any of their stuff. I would take any of the other brands here over AL. They just haven't made a computer speaker yet that I would spend money on
post #23 of 110
About a year or two ago the Altec Lansing ACS-48s were one of the mostly highly recommended PC speakers out there. Going by those recommendations, I told a friend of mine to go get em. When he took them out of the box and fired them up, I horribly regretted recommending them to him. They're nothing but a bass fest. Of course my friend is a dumbbass so he loved em. I can see why most gamers would be recommending them in that case, but the sats were just horribly warm and muddy. I personally just couldn't stand listening to music through them...even the FPS1000s sounded clearer and cleaner. You think Klipschs sound boomy, I'd say the ACS-48 takes the cake by far. Sorry but those 48s just didn't impress me at all...and I definitely think the Microworks were better, especially the sub. The Micros have a very good sub for that matter, easily one of the best in the PC speaker world, next to the Midiland and Videologic subs, in terms of tightness and bass note definition.
post #24 of 110
I'm with gluegun. I owned a CSW soundworks system and from the first listen I was looking for ways to improve the sound... The only thing I really came up with at the time was to just toss the front satellites and use some speakers from a sony boombox which were in all truth vastly superior... Which is in all truth not saying much about the sony speakers but they were better than the CSW sattelites... I do like the sub, it is surprisingly musical and involving, sounds good with techno and games. I sound proofed the interior of the sub cabinet with some foam and noticed an improvement in definition. Then I bought a Bryston amp and some AR speakers that annihilate the CSW system for about $75 more... A setup which provides me with more options for upgrading too. Mind you I got a fantastic deal on the Bryston but there are other good amps that can be had for less than what I paid such as ADCOM.

I should add that I owned the top of the line CSW 4 point surround system... It was voted best speakers system by Gamingworld... Which provides some evidence that perhaps computer speakers just suck a wee bit in general.
post #25 of 110
Thread Starter 
Well, in retrospect, my fps1800s are pretty ok. I mean, they're fine for gaming, background musack, etc, but for real listening . . . I mean, I listened to them again, and they just don't have that WOW effect anymore.

They're great for positional sound though.
post #26 of 110
I wouldn't match up the Triangle Titus to these Sirocco Crossfires, but the xfires are still a good value despite being a bit overpriced. This is a mutimedia system and the sats are tiny. 3d game imaging is great, and music playback is suprisingly clear, tight, and full. The overall sound is very decent and very enjoyable.

Still, I may go the audiophile bookshelf route for the front sats, since I have a spare amp just sitting here.
post #27 of 110
Why not get a pair of these with a seperate amp and never worry about computer speakers again?



More info can be found here:

http://www.thielaudio.com/THIEL_Web/Pages/pcsnws.html
post #28 of 110
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Which provides some evidence that perhaps computer speakers just suck a wee bit in general.
aitron, that's for sure. Apart from the Acoustic Energy system, I don't think there's a computer/multimedia system that can hang with a decent amp and good speakers in the same or $100 more price range.
post #29 of 110
Does no one have ANYTHING constructive to say about any of these three products?

Gyah. And I *still* maintain that Cambridge speakers aren't as good as the competition, at this point. Especially the right model Monsoon, IF you have it set up and burned in right!

And what about these high quality speakers? I'd gladly own ANY of these! I'm sure the Divas, at least, compare favorable with bookshelf systems...

Swans M200
http://www.av123.com/divaproducts.html

Sirocco Pro
http://www.videologic.com/Products/V...oduct=VL-60402

Aego2
http://www.aegoproject.org/products.htm#aego2
post #30 of 110
All three are good as PC speakers. Those Aego 2s are exactly what MacDEF is hailing as probably the best sounding PC speakers. Those Videologics probably aren't bad either, but for their price, I'd MUCH rather have a seperate bookshelf/integrated from audiophile based companies. Those Swans consistently garner good reviews so they can't be bad as well.

I'd still gladly put my Titus + Rotel 972 up against any of these though.

Of course the bottom line here is, all of these whoop Monsoon butt.
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