Originally Posted by morphsci
No matter how poorly driven, I would never describe the mids of the O2 as recessed. [Inigo]You keep using that word, but I'm not sure it means what you think it means.[/Inigo]
Sure. I didn't actually say O2 Mk1 have recessed mids. With O2 Mk1 vs O2 Mk2 on my old GES, I felt that the O2 Mk1 mids were not recessed, but many times I described the Mk2 mids as forward sounding in comparison.
Originally Posted by Duggeh
Consider an exercise in comparitive sound reproduction:
The BHSE permits such a degree of superiority in treble and bass extension to the O2 that the mids no longer dominate as they can do on less powerful amplifiers.
To wit, the comparison is that other amps produce recessed treble and bass while the mids remain, relative to each amp, unchanged.
Would this be cause to explain your assertion? Because the manner in which you say what you have heard I have the strongest possible technical objections to and subjectively profoundly disagree with.
I am extremely keen to hear the O2/WES though, and look forward to the oppertunity in Chicago.
Sure. The O2 Mk1 mids on WES were more a little more forward than the O2 Mk1 mids on BHSE. Happy? But that's the same as when I said the BHSE mids with O2 Mk1 were maybe slightly recessed vs the WES. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
While the BHSE bass extension seemed a little deeper, the bass detail, presence and impact of the two amps were both very good and similar with O2 Mk1. If you matched the two amp's mids levels with O2 Mk1 then the BHSE bass was a little too much in relation to the mids; although the BHSE mids and highs were just right for the O2 Mk1. Some of this could be due to different sources for the amps at RMAF (Meridian vs Cary), and some due to preferences and choice of music. I really likes me some bass, but too much is doesn't make me happy either.
If the bass levels are matched so that the BHSE bass with O2 Mk1 is not too much for me, then the WES bass was similar (except the depth), the WES mids were fuller than BHSE, while the BHSE highs were fuller than the WES. And, I haven't even bothered rolling tubes from the ones the WES had at RMAF. I'm thinking the highs could come out a little more with different 6SL7 tubes.
Originally Posted by El_Doug
eloquent (pretentious?) prose aside, arent you to a certain degree describing the exact same characteristics in reverse
? surely when one mentions that mids seem recessed, that is an identical analysis to relatively increased highs and bass, no?
still, my experience with the BHSE (though limited) did offer just the tiniest sense of truly recessed mids
, with the slightest tinniness to the sound. though no doubt very liquid and powerful feeling throughout the spectrum, this was a noticeable flaw in that amp.
i still want one though
Sounds like we heard similar differences. But I wouldn't use the word tinniness, as I thought it was better described and sparkly. To be honest I pined after the BHSE after CanJam, up until I heard the final version of WES at RMAF. That was when I made up my mind, and arranged to buy that very same amp.