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post #106 of 117
9/17/09 at 2:22am
could anyone comment on how meier audio's method of balanced operation in their symphony amp using single ended connection stack up against a xlr set up?
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post #107 of 117
9/17/09 at 2:38am
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Originally Posted by Koyaan I. Sqatsi View Post
I don't think those graphs are terribly useful for comparison purposes as I don't think they're even using the same headphones for the measurements.

Compare the impedance plot of the Beyer DT880 to the "balanced" DT880.



What's the difference between the regular Beyer DT880 and the "balanced" DT800 other than an XLR versus a TRS? That's not going to produce the difference in the impedance plots seen here.

Also, let's look at the differences in frequency response between the two models you compared.

Here's the AKG 701:



Here the "balanced" AKG 701 shows greater low frequency response compared to the regular AKG 701.

And here's the Denon D7000:



It's just the opposite. The regular D7000 shows greater lower frequency response to compared to the "balanced" D7000.

I think we need to wait until we can get someone with the appropriate measuring gear to run some new measurements so that we can account for and control all the variables.

k
call me cynical, but the common criticism of the K701 are that they don't have enough bass and the D7000 has too much. voila, "balancing" magically fixe$ this.
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post #108 of 117
9/17/09 at 6:07am
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Originally Posted by xnor View Post
There are also countless people that play in casinos and they think that they have more luck than others or that they have a feeling or even know how/when/what to bet to increase their chance of winning, yet they fail miserably altogether. And nothing will change that because that's how it is / how it works.
I love how you try to rebut one anecdote with another anecdote
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post #109 of 117
9/17/09 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by linuxworks View Post
I see no reason why it has to be ONLY atten.
Yep. In todays rare case that the recording is too silent and there is headroom it can also be gain.
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post #110 of 117
9/17/09 at 8:02am
Maybe a thought would be to look at a balanced amp as an amp with a better amplification circuit. Just not all high-end amps use a balanced topology to achieve better performance with headphones, such as the Zana Deux. Would this make sense? If there's a change in the sound with an amp switching from SE to balanced, it's because the circuitry in the amp being used is different. What I'm saying is really very obvious, that is, if a circuit only has to drive one driver instead of two, then, reasonably, what it is capable of doing will change, wont it?
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post #111 of 117
9/17/09 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
Maybe a thought would be to look at a balanced amp as an amp with a better amplification circuit. Just not all high-end amps use a balanced topology to achieve better performance with headphones, such as the Zana Deux. Would this make sense? If there's a change in the sound with an amp switching from SE to balanced, it's because the circuitry in the amp being used is different. What I'm saying is really very obvious, that is, if a circuit only has to drive one driver instead of two, then, reasonably, what it is capable of doing will change, wont it?
Dual mono has been around for a long time. Would that apply to what you're saying?

USG

PS: how do your HF2s compare to your 800s?
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post #112 of 117
9/17/09 at 3:02pm
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post #113 of 117
9/17/09 at 4:33pm
someone should make a xlr to 1/4 female adapter to plug same cans in same part of amp and compare to end this.
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post #114 of 117
9/17/09 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by squirt View Post
could anyone comment on how meier audio's method of balanced operation in their symphony amp using single ended connection stack up against a xlr set up?

^ what he said please
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post #115 of 117
9/17/09 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by b0dhi View Post
I love how you try to rebut one anecdote with another anecdote
The bit about casinos isn't an anecdote, it's a decently well-known psychological phenomenon, and a fair amount of research has been done to corroborate it.
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post #116 of 117
9/18/09 at 3:00am
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Originally Posted by royalcrown View Post
The bit about casinos isn't an anecdote, it's a decently well-known psychological phenomenon, and a fair amount of research has been done to corroborate it.
If you say so I'm not gonna get into a debate about it here.
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post #117 of 117
9/25/09 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by squirt View Post
could anyone comment on how meier audio's method of balanced operation in their symphony amp using single ended connection stack up against a xlr set up?
It doesn't.
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