or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Grado RS1i Impressions thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Grado RS1i Impressions thread - Page 125

post #1861 of 1872

For transportation of G-cush Grados, I suggest you use pouches (pleather or something else) rather than hard case. I've been using the Earzonk pouch with my PS500 (G cushs are compatible with this model).

 

I've said this quite a lot of times in various Grado threads, but the RS1i is not compatible with G cushs at all... You either have to do the distancer mod (search for the MS1000/MSUltimate thread) or try the sock mod. I've been considering the sock mod, but then I'm perfectly comfortable with my Ls on.

post #1862 of 1872
Quote:
Originally Posted by xrobbo View Post


HI bpcans, so the GS1000 would be better for classic and equal to RS1 in terms of portability and comfort, right? Or also better in terms of comfort?
I'll also check for the Grado G cushions,
thanks!
xrobbo, yes I believe the GS1k's are better for classical music by an order of magnitude, which happens to be about $300. The GS1's are not considered to be a portable headphone, with the RS1's only marginally more suited to leaving the house. Both the RS and GS models are very comfortable IMO.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xrobbo View Post

Again a question to bpcans: the G cushions are sold as a replacement only for the GS1000. Are you sure that they fit also the RS1?
The Grado G cushions fit both the RS and GS headphones.
post #1863 of 1872

@bpcans,

by portable I mean that you can put it in a pouch and put the pouch in a rucksack. This I cannot do for example with my Stax setup, whereas the RS1 fits comfortably a small semirigid pouch which is not much bigger than a book. By what you say I understand that the GS is significantly bigger, meaning that the pouch containing it will be at least 20-30% bigger, is that so?

Comfort with RS is really an issue for me, although not so big. But it is clear that in comparison with my Stax there is simply no comparaison. But I guess this is so with all the circumaural headphones (same feeling of bigger comfort with AKG 701).

So my question is: does the GS wear like a circumaural or closer to it so as to grant a significant increase in comfort?

I have no possibility to test them, therefore I need to rely on your experience, thanks for all the comments.

post #1864 of 1872

The Gs1000 is definitely circumaural. It is VERY lightweight and yes, much more comfortable than on ear Grados. I have never read any complaints of comfort with the Gs1k.

post #1865 of 1872

Hi all,

 

I have been doing some critical listening tests with my RS1i's v my HF2's over the weekend. All tests were done with HD414 reverse quarter mod pads. I find them more comfortable than standard L-Cush and they also extract more top end frequencies compared to L-Cush.

 

1. Button test

I had some SR80's to which I removed the buttons (SR80 logo) where the grill is. I then use some blu-tac to place them on the grills of the RS1i's.

Results

* Placed in the dead centre of the grills will reduce the high frequencies and make a more flat/neutral sound. However in doing this it does remove some of the acoustic factor of the RS1i's

* Placed towards the top of the grill (0°) it allows more high frequencies to emerge but still not enough

* Placed towards the sides( 90°) the high frequencies emerge but mids are slightly reduced

* Removed - produces a more "airier sound" where the entire freq spectrum is pronounced. There is more hiss and twang to instruments. My preference is the last one as it reveals everything in the music.

 

2. Against HF2's

* I listened very intensely on an acoustic track from the 70's between the HF2 and RS1i's. This track plays psychedelic instruments and is extremely revealing. I noticed that the RS1i's has more acoustic representation and the wood body is a determining factor in this. It also has a wide (lateral) soundstage greater than the smaller cups.

* When A/B'ing them I did notice more sustain (best word I recall at the time) with the HF2's towards the top end frequencies. Instruments had more ring factor (is it decay???) where you could hear the echo on the HF2's. Placing the Rs1i's immediately afterwards same track position, revealed less ring and more instantaneous sound with less decay to instruments. I wasn't sure why this was the case but I have a theory that the wood/metal hybrid cup allows more resonance to the music whilst the wood of the RS1i's less so. I also believe the cup depth size is another contributing factor, perhaps less so.

* The HF2's have more thump to the sound making it better suited to electronic music.The HF2's are no slouch and have really shocked me how great they sound and make music extremely listenable and fun. Whereas the RSi's have more accuracy the HF2's have more enjoyment and fun factor and really boogie with the music. You can really tap your foot to the music with these and listen for hours on end.

 

Conclusion

* Which do IMHO prefer...? Hard to say.. they both have interesting sound reproductions. On the one hand the HF2's allows you just to relax and enjoy the music and become part of the music whereas the RSi's is for the purists and those who want absolute accuracy at the detriment of aural relaxation and presentation. It is very hard to say as the differences in cup design and material produce a somewhat wide variation on the sound qualities of both.

* Both are excellent headphones and both create a unique sound which is audibly different to one another. Hence, IMHO both are keepers :)


Edited by XLR8 - 6/14/15 at 4:34pm
post #1866 of 1872
Quote:
Originally Posted by XLR8 View Post
 

Hi all,

 

I have been doing some critical listening tests with my RS1i's v my HF2's over the weekend. All tests were done with HD414 reverse quarter mod pads. I find them more comfortable than standard L-Cush and they also extract more top end frequencies compared to L-Cush.

 

1. Button test

I had some SR80's to which I removed the buttons (SR80 logo) where the grill is. I then use some blu-tac to place them on the grills of the RS1i's.

Results

* Placed in the dead centre of the grills will reduce the high frequencies and make a more flat/neutral sound. However in doing this it does remove some of the acoustic factor of the RS1i's

* Placed towards the top of the grill (0°) it allows more high frequencies to emerge but still not enough

* Placed towards the sides( 90°) the high frequencies emerge but mids are slightly reduced

* Removed - produces a more "airier sound" where the entire freq spectrum is pronounced. There is more hiss and twang to instruments. My preference is the last one as it reveals everything in the music.

 

2. Against HF2's

* I listened very intensely on an acoustic track from the 70's between the HF2 and RS1i's. This track plays psychedelic instruments and is extremely revealing. I noticed that the RS1i's has more acoustic representation and the wood body is a determining factor in this. It also has a wide (lateral) soundstage greater than the smaller cups.

* When A/B'ing them I did notice more sustain (best word I recall at the time) with the HF2's towards the top end frequencies. Instruments had more ring factor (is it decay???) where you could hear the echo on the HF2's. Placing the Rs1i's immediately afterwards same track position, revealed less ring and more instantaneous sound with less decay to instruments. I wasn't sure why this was the case but I have a theory that the wood/metal hybrid cup allows more resonance to the music whilst the wood of the RS1i's less so. I also believe the cup depth size is another contributing factor, perhaps less so.

* The HF2's have more thump to the sound making it better suited to electronic music.The HF2's are no slouch and have really shocked me how great they sound and make music extremely listenable and fun. Whereas the RSi's have more accuracy the HF2's have more enjoyment and fun factor and really boogie with the music. You can really tap your foot to the music with these and listen for hours on end.

 

Conclusion

* Which do IMHO prefer...? Hard to say.. they both have interesting sound reproductions. On the one hand the HF2's allows you just to relax and enjoy the music and become part of the music whereas the RSi's is for the purists and those who want absolute accuracy at the detriment of aural relaxation and presentation. It is very hard to say as the differences in cup design and material produce a somewhat wide variation on the sound qualities of both.

* Both are excellent headphones and both create a unique sound which is audibly different to one another. Hence, IMHO both are keepers :)

 

Interresting. If I remember correctly the HF2 have a sound signature similar to that of the PS500, correct?

 

If that's the case, I can easily understand why you say that they are both keepers. My guess is that they must complement each other very well.

 

I am suprised by your findings regarding how much of a difference the center button can make on the sound. I'm way too much of a syssy to remove the button from my RS1 though.

 

It's good to have a less forensic pair of headphones for those harsh sounding recordings, I never thought I'd miss my old and veiled Senns HD600, Oh well!.

post #1867 of 1872
Quote:
Originally Posted by stacker45 View Post
 

Interresting. If I remember correctly the HF2 have a sound signature similar to that of the PS500, correct?

 

If that's the case, I can easily understand why you say that they are both keepers. My guess is that they must complement each other very well.

 

I am suprised by your findings regarding how much of a difference the center button can make on the sound. I'm way too much of a syssy to remove the button from my RS1 though.

 

It's good to have a less forensic pair of headphones for those harsh sounding recordings, I never thought I'd miss my old and veiled Senns HD600, Oh well!.

 

Yes the HF2 is a tad less bass than ps500 but is essentially the same... i think . I have never heard the PS500, i or e versions but have seen the frequency response curves of all including mine.

I wouldn't say the differences on the center button are easily audible to the untrained ear. You really need a quality signal from source to ear to hear the differences..more subtle and minor but it's there if go listening for it.... and I was always curious what reason Grado implemented the button and now I can appreciate why.

 

Yeah would be interesting how the RS1 would open with the button removed. I will say listening to the RS1i's with the button on , it was more flat neutral sounding but to me I found when removed there is a more acoustic natural air and hiss from the sound. Some I gather would frown upon this others would revel in their revelation. What was even more interesting was the placement of the button and how it can dramatically change the sound of the headphone. This was indeed an audible revelation, compared to the center location.

 

Grado certainly make unique headphones. Unfortunately though I have become addicted to their ability to reveal an organic like sound which is extremely revealing of inferior and poor recordings. To me this is critical and I would invariably go through a plethora of albums/songs listening for those songs that really strike an electric cord in my brain and then it's an addiction and replay to the max to which I wouldn't have it any other way... :wink_face:

 

In other words it is lots of fun listening to music with Grado..


Edited by XLR8 - 6/14/15 at 8:13pm
post #1868 of 1872

Currently owning the RS1i and the PS500, I can say that perhaps they are the 'most complementing' pair in the whole Grado line up. However with the PS500's very prominent bass, I'd say that the RS1i is the more fun between the 2. 

post #1869 of 1872
Quote:
Originally Posted by lehoang15tuoi View Post
 

Currently owning the RS1i and the PS500, I can say that perhaps they are the 'most complementing' pair in the whole Grado line up. However with the PS500's very prominent bass, I'd say that the RS1i is the more fun between the 2. 

 

I agree with you that the RS1i and PS500 (I have the 1i & 500e)

complement each other very well.

 

I feel that the RS1i's presentation is gentler with a bigger

soundstage....and probably more detailed.

 

 

But I don't feel that the 500e has a "very prominent bass".

It "slams" more, but doesn't feel as if it's going down any lower.

 

I haven't been able to decide between the two.  IMO the 500e

is more exciting and dynamic; the 1i in comparison a touch

more laid back.

post #1870 of 1872

I have to say that the RS1i pairs really well the Cypher Labs Picollo Amp. I find the Picollo to be a very analog/tube-like sounding amp which seems to tame/dampen the slight stridency issues I sometimes find with the RS1i. The Picollo also adds more authority to the bass and adds detail to the sub-bass region, when called upon, which has been a pleasant surprise. To my ears the Picollo is also a mid forward sounding amp so it really maintains that signature Grado house sound signature and sheds a beautiful light in that direction too.   

post #1871 of 1872

I hate myself for doing this, but a little bit of shameless self-promotion here, justified only by the thought that I just might be helping someone else out. I submit for your consideration:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/777966/wtt-an-almost-new-pair-of-rs1e-for-a-pair-of-rs1i-or-rs1

post #1872 of 1872
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleasbaby View Post
 

I hate myself for doing this, but a little bit of shameless self-promotion here, justified only by the thought that I just might be helping someone else out. I submit for your consideration:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/777966/wtt-an-almost-new-pair-of-rs1e-for-a-pair-of-rs1i-or-rs1

 

 

:popcorn:

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Grado RS1i Impressions thread