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post #136 of 1406

Yesterday, my new (to me) RS1is were delivered.  The money was a little hard to justify, but I can honestly say that these are the best 'phones I've ever heard.  Almost everything I listened to last night revealed something new, some little detail that I had never heard before; and these were tracks I thought I knew perfectly.  Backing vocals resolved into individual voices, instruments that had previously faded into the background could now be heard as individual tracks.  It seems that every move up I make allows me to dive a little deeper into the music.  I did try a/b-ing between the RS1s & my SR325is, to insure that I wasn't imagining things, and I was able to confirm the differences.  I kept the regular bowls on, but I'll try the flats that I've been using on the SR325is at some point.  My next step is to play around with some different tube combo's on my amp, as I did notice some shrillness at times.  I know that Grados have that reputation, but I think it may have been my amp causing the problem.  I'll find out with more listening time.o2smile.gif

post #137 of 1406
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Originally Posted by BobinNJ View Post

Yesterday, my new (to me) RS1is were delivered.  The money was a little hard to justify, but I can honestly say that these are the best 'phones I've ever heard.  Almost everything I listened to last night revealed something new, some little detail that I had never heard before; and these were tracks I thought I knew perfectly.  Backing vocals resolved into individual voices, instruments that had previously faded into the background could now be heard as individual tracks.  It seems that every move up I make allows me to dive a little deeper into the music.  I did try a/b-ing between the RS1s & my SR325is, to insure that I wasn't imagining things, and I was able to confirm the differences.  I kept the regular bowls on, but I'll try the flats that I've been using on the SR325is at some point.  My next step is to play around with some different tube combo's on my amp, as I did notice some shrillness at times.  I know that Grados have that reputation, but I think it may have been my amp causing the problem.  I'll find out with more listening time.o2smile.gif



Congrats! Even with my other more expensive headphones, my RS1i's still get listened too quite regularly and I can't part with them. I too jumped from the SR325is headphones to the RS1s (then to the RS1i...long and sorted tale). I found the SR325s way too bright for my liking. The RS1s are the best Grados in production to my ears.

 

Enjoy! L3000.gif

post #138 of 1406

Of all the grados I've heard, the RS1i is the best all around genre headphone for a grado because it is much warmer and its bass is aplenty compared to SR60i-SR225i. Grado changed the RS1i to never ever sound thin and "hot", traits that the RS1 has. The drawback is that the RS1i loses its live sound vs the buttoned RS1 even though the intimacy is there. I could never get the RS1i to sound harsh compared to the RS1 no matter what I threw at it. They only way the RS1i could sound remotely harsh is if I turned them into mini speakers, played them at volume level so loud I wouldn't dare place them on my head. I believe John is not going for a brighter sound for each new iteration, the sound is more tilted towards the bass and midrange rather than midrange to highs.

 

Has anyone tried HD414 reverse pads on their RS1i? I think it will work quite nicely with the RS1i for those who want more treble and less bass.


Edited by kite7 - 3/11/11 at 5:35pm
post #139 of 1406

I've had my RS1i's for 2 weeks now and absolutely love them! They are sounding better every day, but I'm having trouble trying to find the perfect amp for them. The problem is they seem to sound better with my portable rig as opposed to my regular set up. It's the top end that I need to tame for my liking and I'm on my 2nd tube amp now trying to do that...

 

I've read that hybrids are the way to go with Grado's because of the current and warmth, so I got the Xcan v3 and thought it sounded astounding!!.... with my 650's. RS1i's sounded too hard at the top and to be fair they didn't sound much better than with my ss amps.

 

All of the recommended amps on h-fi are hard to come by in the uk, so I took a chance on bargain Mistral hybrid for £99 (down from £225) I've been warming it up today and so will post my opinions soon, but up to now it is looking good as it has a much softer sound and a lot less power than the xcan, oh, and a lovely little orange glowing tube in the middle! normal_smile%20.gif

 

  

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Originally Posted by kite7 View Post

Thanks for your input, did you ever own a RS1 before the RS1i? If so, how similar or different do they sound? I'm asking because I have heard 3 RS1i. I demoed one in a store that was very much the same sound grado signature as my RS1 ( as well as my previous SR225) which is bright and can be harsh sounding, bass light and tight as well. The two other RS1i, I have owned ( Online purchases, no chance to demo before buying) and they were so different that I was very disappointed. The treble was too tame and the upper midrange peak was not there. Imagine a grado that was playing it safe, trying to not emphasis anything. That was what those two sounded like.



Iam thinking about to buy RS1i and wondering if the drivers changed on your RS1i or sound.

post #141 of 1406

Changed due to burn in? No, it did not.

post #142 of 1406
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I've had my RS1i's for 2 weeks now and absolutely love them! They are sounding better every day, but I'm having trouble trying to find the perfect amp for them. The problem is they seem to sound better with my portable rig as opposed to my regular set up. It's the top end that I need to tame for my liking and I'm on my 2nd tube amp now trying to do that...

 

I've read that hybrids are the way to go with Grado's because of the current and warmth, so I got the Xcan v3 and thought it sounded astounding!!.... with my 650's. RS1i's sounded too hard at the top and to be fair they didn't sound much better than with my ss amps.

 

All of the recommended amps on h-fi are hard to come by in the uk, so I took a chance on bargain Mistral hybrid for £99 (down from £225) I've been warming it up today and so will post my opinions soon, but up to now it is looking good as it has a much softer sound and a lot less power than the xcan, oh, and a lovely little orange glowing tube in the middle! normal_smile%20.gif

 

  


Just an FYI...the best amp I've heard the RS1/RS1i's from (I've owned them both) was the MAD Ear+HD:

http://hollowstate.netfirms.com/

It may be over your budget, but something to think about. It was my "go to" Grado amp. For around $65ish, the PA2V2 portable amp was a nice (and powerful) warm sounding amp that worked very well with my Grados. And Gary is a great guy to deal with:

http://www.electric-avenues.com/audio8.html
post #143 of 1406
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I've had my RS1i's for 2 weeks now and absolutely love them! They are sounding better every day, but I'm having trouble trying to find the perfect amp for them. The problem is they seem to sound better with my portable rig as opposed to my regular set up. It's the top end that I need to tame for my liking and I'm on my 2nd tube amp now trying to do that...

 

I've read that hybrids are the way to go with Grado's because of the current and warmth, so I got the Xcan v3 and thought it sounded astounding!!.... with my 650's. RS1i's sounded too hard at the top and to be fair they didn't sound much better than with my ss amps.

 

All of the recommended amps on h-fi are hard to come by in the uk, so I took a chance on bargain Mistral hybrid for £99 (down from £225) I've been warming it up today and so will post my opinions soon, but up to now it is looking good as it has a much softer sound and a lot less power than the xcan, oh, and a lovely little orange glowing tube in the middle! normal_smile%20.gif

 

  




Just an FYI...the best amp I've heard the RS1/RS1i's from (I've owned them both) was the MAD Ear+HD:

http://hollowstate.netfirms.com/

It may be over your budget, but something to think about. It was my "go to" Grado amp. For around $65ish, the PA2V2 portable amp was a nice (and powerful) warm sounding amp that worked very well with my Grados. And Gary is a great guy to deal with:

http://www.electric-avenues.com/audio8.html
 



Thanks for that, really helpful. I sooo want a MAD Ear+HD!  But for now I'll have to be pleased with what I've got, and what I have got isn't too bad at all. I've been trying my new Mistral cheap tube amp out and yes it does sound nice, but maybe a little too "nice". It doesnt have much power so you can really turn it up and without any hardness at all. A very refined sound for the price. I then tried the pre-amp option into my Xcan v3 and this is much better! The Xcan has a very SS sound but with the added expanse and soundstage of tubes, so it is in effect the best of both worlds. Having said that, I would say that it is more SS than Tube... So... using the very tubey sound of My Mistral as a pre-amp, this has added that extra ounce of "liquidy tubeness" that was missing for me and smoothed the very top end off my RS1i's.

 

I now have a pretty good sound for my RS1's and not that expensive; £290 for xcan and pre amp. Sorted. And my 650's seem to be happy with the new arrangment too.

 

   

 

post #144 of 1406

Anyone know what these sound like with the Little dot III or IVSE?

 

I think I'm going to give one a try.

 

 

 

 

post #145 of 1406
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Anyone know what these sound like with the Little dot III or IVSE?

 

I think I'm going to give one a try.

 

 

 

 


These are OTL tube amps...not ideal for low impedance dynamic headphones.
post #146 of 1406

My first pair of headphones was the Sony MDR-7506 which I listened to for many years. About a year ago or so, I got some SR80is and fell in love. Whether listening straight out of my iPod or through the hp jack of my mid-Nineties Pioneer receiver, they sounded fabulous! (And still do...)

 

The much-discussed "Grado house sound" is definitely for me.

 

I took the plunge into higher end audio about 6 months ago with a pair of RS1is and it was a revelation. All I can say is that I completely understand other peoples' comments that they had to re-listen to most of their music collection! (The immediacy, the crispness, the Guitars!)

 

I've avoided posting my affection for my RS1is in other posts because I have such little experience with anything else and as a result I realize I have little to offer at this point...but I relish the opportunity to whole-heartedly recommend the RS1i.

 

And here's the thing, though I've got a WA6 SE and Emotiva ERC-2 both ordered and on the way (damn you Head-fi smile.gif)...I can honestly say that I've had ecstatic musical experience after ecstatic musical experience and had my eyes (and ears) opened to a way of experiencing music I had only known before at live concerts...solely thanks to the RS1i.

 

And granted, maybe I'm more emotional about music than the average guy, but these 'phones have literally brought tears of joy to my eyes.

 

(And while I know not to expect anything close to a similar jump up the sound quality scale by adding a dedicated amp and a better source...I am totally excited about the idea that the greatness that is the RS1is can get just a little bit better!) beerchug.gif

 

 

 

 

post #147 of 1406
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

I've read that hybrids are the way to go with Grado's because of the current and warmth, so I got the Xcan v3 and thought it sounded astounding!!.... with my 650's. RS1i's sounded too hard at the top and to be fair they didn't sound much better than with my ss amps.

 

 

I have the Grado RS1i and i thought it sounded very exciting running off the Meier Stepdance with Cardas HPI cable. It give instruments a very realistic timbre. (ie it actually sounded very "live") Not bad for a portable small amp... and the realism can only come from the Grado RS1i as very few Headphone can re-create that "Live" feel...

 

I tried using the RS1i with the Big Bowl Pad from GS1000 but the sound just didn't cut it... Sound stage was much wider and more laid back but at the expense of timbre. Everything just sounded thinner and not as realistic and "live" as compared to the original pad... and i have to turn the volume up by a fair bit to reach similar level with the original pads  (i changed that because the original pad  can get quite uncomfortable after prolong use.)

Also, not that the soundstage was that bad on the original pad... it feels like you are listening to the band/ symphony sitting within a small chamber instead of a large concert hall...


Then I switched to the Musical Fidelity X-Can V3 with X-PSU V3. Initially I have Amperex tubes installed but they are just too warm and I switched back to the original Philip Jan. I use XLO Type 1 RCA cables to tone down the tube's warmth... and Audioquest Power Cord. The effect is a very smooth presentation with realistic soundstage (though still a small concert hall like the Broadways in London). I actually thought the "Live" feel and the realistic timbre of the instrument is not as strong as using the Meier Stepdance... And the bass is definitely not that tight as using the stepdance... I must stress that its very marginal but its a nagging feeling and I find myself switching back to the Stepdance every once in a while...

 

I am now very tempted to get the Senn HD650 with either Cardas/Equinox Cables to run on the MF X-Cans.... just for experimentation... can't decide which cables is better as there are so much conflicting reports... 

 

I briefing heard the RS1i on the LISA 3 and it sounded very promising... but my environment then is quite noisy ... Has any one tried this setup?

 

 

 

 

 

post #148 of 1406
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Originally Posted by marcusongks View Post



 

I have the Grado RS1i and i thought it sounded very exciting running off the Meier Stepdance with Cardas HPI cable. It give instruments a very realistic timbre. (ie it actually sounded very "live") Not bad for a portable small amp... and the realism can only come from the Grado RS1i as very few Headphone can re-create that "Live" feel...

 

I tried using the RS1i with the Big Bowl Pad from GS1000 but the sound just didn't cut it... Sound stage was much wider and more laid back but at the expense of timbre. Everything just sounded thinner and not as realistic and "live" as compared to the original pad... and i have to turn the volume up by a fair bit to reach similar level with the original pads  (i changed that because the original pad  can get quite uncomfortable after prolong use.)

Also, not that the soundstage was that bad on the original pad... it feels like you are listening to the band/ symphony sitting within a small chamber instead of a large concert hall...


Then I switched to the Musical Fidelity X-Can V3 with X-PSU V3. Initially I have Amperex tubes installed but they are just too warm and I switched back to the original Philip Jan. I use XLO Type 1 RCA cables to tone down the tube's warmth... and Audioquest Power Cord. The effect is a very smooth presentation with realistic soundstage (though still a small concert hall like the Broadways in London). I actually thought the "Live" feel and the realistic timbre of the instrument is not as strong as using the Meier Stepdance... And the bass is definitely not that tight as using the stepdance... I must stress that its very marginal but its a nagging feeling and I find myself switching back to the Stepdance every once in a while...

 

I am now very tempted to get the Senn HD650 with either Cardas/Equinox Cables to run on the MF X-Cans.... just for experimentation... can't decide which cables is better as there are so much conflicting reports... 

 

I briefing heard the RS1i on the LISA 3 and it sounded very promising... but my environment then is quite noisy ... Has any one tried this setup?

 

 

 

 

 



A very interesting and helpful post for me thanks. I was tempted to try the bowls but I'm not going to now, would hate to loose any of the great timbre of the RS1i's as that is where they really excel for me. I am tempted to try some Amperex tubes however, are they the orange glow ones? I think I've read about them before with the Xcan v3.

 

The thing with me and Rs1i's is that I realy do like them, it's just I know my main rig is not right them, I've got it finely tuned for the the 650's. So I'm looking to get a different amp to loop in just for the Grado's. I think I'm going to try a Little Dot I+ and do a bit of rolling. 

 

Incidently the cable that I use with my 650's is this below and It comes highly recommended. It's not silver, it has A LOT of copper and is slighly bulky, but it sounds amazing. Everything is more in regards to detail and resolution without any false highs or lows.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SENNHEISER-HD600-HD650-HD580-CABLE-5-ft-PURE-COPPER-/250725545256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a60683528

  

post #149 of 1406
Nope... the Big Bowl definitely don't work on the RS1i. Thanks for the advice on the Senn Cables... I am really thinking if the Senn sound will suit me since I like my music to have plenty of immediacy and realistic timbre... And from what i read, Senn is a little laid back and it needs the after market cables to tweak its sound. I am not sure what you mean by the orange glow ones, but it makes the Amp sounds warmer. So for those who likes warm sound, they will be suitable.
post #150 of 1406

listenin to Dexter Gordon's "one flight up" which is a brilliant "hifi" blue note recording. Art Taylors drums with my RS1i's sound soooo realistic, no extra boom or presence... just great real timbre. Spookily real. (not to mention Dexter's smoooooth Sax)    

 

The RS1i's must be hard to beat as Jazz cans!

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