Well we can all go on about sound quality on ipods, but truth of the matter is apple will not listen, the majority of people are happy with their ipods and their standard buds that come with them, gimmicks like the camera are to get myface kiddies to get it and record each other, to be honest i'm hoping that someone finds a new chipset in the classic or something to make it worthwhile, maybe they've added new audio chips to all of them, it's too early to tell