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post #61 of 112
11/20/09 at 4:34pm
Heee...
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post #62 of 112
11/20/09 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by shaizada View Post
Chalk me down for vinyl's total victory over digital. It just can't be done. The sound of vinyl is JUST right no matter how you slice it. Vinyl through headphones is just liquid smooth butter with ALL the details and air one could want. It keeps the air molecules energized and just "real".

This is coming through a VPI TNT-V Hot Rod with the HRX dual motor and HRX platter. Phono is an Einstein "Turntables Choice" and the cartridge is a Clearaudio Accurate Moving Coil. Headphone amp is the Ray Samuels B52 feeding the Sennheiser HD650 or 600 through a Stefan Arts Equinox cable in balanced configuration.

I just don't have the words. Just none...........
I agree that vinyl probably does carry more detail than most digital music. For whatever reasons digitizing results in some loss of detail and I base this statement on the improvments on DACs I have noted over the years, gradually getting more and more detail right, i.e. becoming more analog sounding. That said digital processing is amenble to improvment and allready starts out with its great trump cards of dynamic range and silent backgrounds. The supberb channle separation probably helps digital but not as much as the other 2 factors.
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post #63 of 112
11/20/09 at 7:08pm
Vinyl sound great through the cans. A close second is SACD. IMHO Vinyl sound will never be duplicated or made better. It still the closest to live sound as there is.
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post #64 of 112
11/21/09 at 4:23am
I broke my turntable, but back when I had my Darkvoice tube amp and the turntable going I could tell something was special - smooth, clean, natural, and real. I may have to get set up with some serious vinyl gear next, but it's not a cheap, simple, or convenient hobby for sure.
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post #65 of 112
11/22/09 at 10:05am
Regarding the eternal "where to spend the money" debate, I noticed the following breakdown of average component contribution to total system performance on the Origin Live site. Although since they primarily sell TTs and arms, I guess their opinion is not an entirely disinterested one.

Turntable = 47%
Tonearm = 30%
Cartridge = 8%
Phono stage = 15%
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post #66 of 112
11/23/09 at 1:14pm
Vinyl, tube phono stage, tube head amp, fones, only way to rock! :P
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post #67 of 112
11/23/09 at 2:33pm
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Vinyl, tube phono stage, tube head amp, fones, only way to rock! :P
LOL - I have that exact set-up
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post #68 of 112
11/23/09 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by Hopstretch View Post
Regarding the eternal "where to spend the money" debate, I noticed the following breakdown of average component contribution to total system performance on the Origin Live site. Although since they primarily sell TTs and arms, I guess their opinion is not an entirely disinterested one.

Turntable = 47%
Tonearm = 30%
Cartridge = 8%
Phono stage = 15%
Wow do I consider that off base. ESPECIALLY on a rig with no speakers to create microphonics. Much more of the budget needs to be invested in the cartridge and phono preamp. The arm is very important as is the basic table but the basic sonic character of the table is dictated by the cart and phono pre. Whatever the argument, it should be a balanced package and when you look at their numbers it isn't...check this out:

Table: $4,700
Arm: $3,000
Cart: $800
Pre: $1,500
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post #69 of 112
11/23/09 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by shaizada View Post
Chalk me down for vinyl's total victory over digital. It just can't be done. The sound of vinyl is JUST right no matter how you slice it. Vinyl through headphones is just liquid smooth butter with ALL the details and air one could want. It keeps the air molecules energized and just "real".

This is coming through a VPI TNT-V Hot Rod with the HRX dual motor and HRX platter. Phono is an Einstein "Turntables Choice" and the cartridge is a Clearaudio Accurate Moving Coil. Headphone amp is the Ray Samuels B52 feeding the Sennheiser HD650 or 600 through a Stefan Arts Equinox cable in balanced configuration.

I just don't have the words. Just none...........
Neither do I. Hooking my Phoenix and 800s to your turntable rig, spinning Porcupine Tree on Saturday was the highlight of my day (and it was great to meet you)! What a mesmerizing experience.
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post #70 of 112
11/23/09 at 6:51pm
technics 1200 ($100) ->rega rb250 (recabled/weight/stub) ($200)->grado silver ($50)->audio experience concierto v2 ($200), sounds pretty damn good
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post #71 of 112
11/24/09 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by Dinan View Post
Wow do I consider that off base. ESPECIALLY on a rig with no speakers to create microphonics. Much more of the budget needs to be invested in the cartridge and phono preamp. The arm is very important as is the basic table but the basic sonic character of the table is dictated by the cart and phono pre. Whatever the argument, it should be a balanced package and when you look at their numbers it isn't...check this out:

Table: $4,700
Arm: $3,000
Cart: $800
Pre: $1,500
That's why it's an eternal debate, right? I do think their allocation makes more sense if you think of your rig as something that's not static, but evolving. You spend less, initially, on the stuff that's easiest to swap out later on as you, inevitably, get the itch to see how far you can take it.
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post #72 of 112
11/24/09 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by Hopstretch View Post
That's why it's an eternal debate, right? I do think their allocation makes more sense if you think of your rig as something that's not static, but evolving. You spend less, initially, on the stuff that's easiest to swap out later on as you, inevitably, get the itch to see how far you can take it.
I suppose but I cringe at the thought of an $8K arm/table with an $800 cartridge!
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post #73 of 112
11/24/09 at 10:50am
Me too - I still believe in more like 50% cartridge, 50% table.
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post #74 of 112
11/24/09 at 11:54am
Yeah, I've got no room to talk anyway as my own cart cost 70% of the table. Out of interest, what do you guys think the price sweet spot is for cartridges before diminishing returns really start kicking in?
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post #75 of 112
11/24/09 at 12:11pm
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Me too - I still believe in more like 50% cartridge, 50% table.
I'm curious. What price level does that apply to, or at any price?
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