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post #46 of 112
9/14/09 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by sachu View Post
I was shopping only a coupleof days ago for a turntable to use for headphone listenting. I went and auditioned two turntables..an Empire 498 and a Thorens TD125 (with Jelco SA-250 ) arm on it.

I heard them through speakers with a hagerman Cornet phono.The EMpire was alright but the Thorens just sounded amazing (the guy was using some super rare Ruby spruce or something cartridge).

Now, the main conern is the clicks and pops, the humm/hiss in the records..wouldn't that stand out when you listen to records through headphones? I decided to not pick up a TT because of this one reason.

THis is certainly an issue. Cleaning can help. I once had most of my records professionally cleaned and it was good but still not digital silence. For me part of the problem with vinyl is that it doesn't do the dynamics in big classical pieces well. If you limit the loud passages the quiet passages will dissapear in surface noise, or you reduce dynamics. I have had lots of trouble over the years with the big passages in opera, (eg. 6 soloists, 80 choristers, 100 piece orchestra, 1812 Overture etc.,) My impression is that the happiest vinyl users are mainly listening to rock/pop/jazz, things that don't cahllenge the dynamic limitations of vinyl.

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Originally Posted by luvdunhill View Post
For what it's worth, I think vinyl and headphones are a good fit because the channel separation specs on vinyl frankly suck. I believe this acts as a natural crossfeed of sorts.
I tend to agree here. Even the dynamic limitations referred to above may be too bad for the sonic perspective of classical music.


I just picked up one of the remastered Beatles CD's and put on one of my old Beatles lps with the same tracks. The cd was somewhat lifeless by comparison on some tracks. I keep finding this phenomenon and keep thinking it is very odd considering that the cd's I record directly from lp disc seem to keep the vinyl sound qualities pretty well. I have to assume that either mastering or copying practices keep cd's from living up to their potential.
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post #47 of 112
9/18/09 at 11:43pm
channel separation was brought up as an issue here is an interesting take on it, sure cd players and amps have channel seperation 2-4 times better than most carts but is it audible, this article would argue not really.

http://www.zedaudiocorp.com/Technica...Separation.pdf
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post #48 of 112
9/19/09 at 2:18am
ok, i bought Denon DL-103R.

hope the improvement is rather huge
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post #49 of 112
9/19/09 at 6:01am
congrats! it will be a huge improvement, you chose wisely and imo the best in the category. as all carts, you need proper setup, do it with patience its worth it.
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post #50 of 112
9/19/09 at 9:41am
The Denon 103 is an amazing cartridge, really. I still have one, and though I rarely use it, it really is an impressive pick-up for the money.
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post #51 of 112
9/19/09 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post
channel separation was brought up as an issue here is an interesting take on it, sure cd players and amps have channel seperation 2-4 times better than most carts but is it audible, this article would argue not really.

http://www.zedaudiocorp.com/Technica...Separation.pdf
I am adamant that it is a non-issue. I have more records then I can count were recorded material pans from full left to full right with no bleed from one channel to the other. This would not be possible with poor channel separation.
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post #52 of 112
9/19/09 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Dinan View Post
I am adamant that it is a non-issue. I have more records then I can count were recorded material pans from full left to full right with no bleed from one channel to the other. This would not be possible with poor channel separation.

I agree and that is what the linked article stated

although it might be an issue with a poor set up or really cheap cart
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post #53 of 112
9/20/09 at 1:05pm
I'm still using an Ortofon super OM-10 but through my cans it is fantastic with the right disc...Next stop? Moving Coils....got a classic PS Audio stage for it, that I recently reworked.

I'm using my Cambridge 540P for MM now...highly modified though...Removed the subsonic filter, increased the rail filtering and bought a new psu wallwart, and lowered input capacitance to 10pF
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post #54 of 112
9/21/09 at 3:53am
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Originally Posted by sunseeker888 View Post
I'm still using an Ortofon super OM-10 but through my cans it is fantastic with the right disc..
i have Ortofon super OM-20 and it doesnt sound so good..
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post #55 of 112
9/21/09 at 5:42am
Chalk me down for vinyl's total victory over digital. It just can't be done. The sound of vinyl is JUST right no matter how you slice it. Vinyl through headphones is just liquid smooth butter with ALL the details and air one could want. It keeps the air molecules energized and just "real".

This is coming through a VPI TNT-V Hot Rod with the HRX dual motor and HRX platter. Phono is an Einstein "Turntables Choice" and the cartridge is a Clearaudio Accurate Moving Coil. Headphone amp is the Ray Samuels B52 feeding the Sennheiser HD650 or 600 through a Stefan Arts Equinox cable in balanced configuration.

I just don't have the words. Just none...........
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post #56 of 112
11/14/09 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by shaizada View Post
Chalk me down for vinyl's total victory over digital. It just can't be done. The sound of vinyl is JUST right no matter how you slice it. Vinyl through headphones is just liquid smooth butter with ALL the details and air one could want. It keeps the air molecules energized and just "real".

This is coming through a VPI TNT-V Hot Rod with the HRX dual motor and HRX platter. Phono is an Einstein "Turntables Choice" and the cartridge is a Clearaudio Accurate Moving Coil. Headphone amp is the Ray Samuels B52 feeding the Sennheiser HD650 or 600 through a Stefan Arts Equinox cable in balanced configuration.

I just don't have the words. Just none...........
Sweet set-up dude! Love it
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post #57 of 112
11/20/09 at 1:03am
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Originally Posted by voltraizer View Post
a clean record is one sure way to have enjoyable and quality listening sessions.
my vacuum machine


the VPI HW-16.5 Record Cleaning Machine wc I bought way back in the late 90's is still working up to now. 8)
even if the LP appears to be free from dirt...i sometimes use this vacuum machine to remove dust from some LPs that may have resided into the bottoms of the grooves to minimize ticks and pops...
i use cleaning solutions which contains alcohol, liquid soap and distilled water prepared by a friend of mine.
My VPI HW-16.5 is the best investment I have made in my system. I also really like the Mobile Fidelity record wash. My vinyl is extremely quiet; while I am fussy about condition when I purchase records, I think my cleaning regimen plays a big role.

When I have friends over, they can't believe we're not listening to digital as far as ticks and pops go....the firs thing they say, when they see a record playing, is "Where's the fuzz and scratches?!?"
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post #58 of 112
11/20/09 at 10:54am
There is no doubt about that. Wet-vacuum cleaning my records was a revelation. It makes them very, very quiet. Worth every penny - and there is no doubt that if you have a $500 cartridge, you will get FAR more benefit from buying a record-cleaning machine than upgrading your pick-up.
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post #59 of 112
11/20/09 at 11:32am
Agreed. Very worthwhile investment. I love my VPI 16.5!!
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post #60 of 112
11/20/09 at 11:42am
I love mine too
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