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post #31 of 112
9/11/09 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post
this is categorically untrue and probably the most repeated audio misinformation. Motor, plater and plinth are crital to sound and changes in any of these can yield large sonic changes and upgrades. The tonearm can make or break you as well.

I'd take a lesser phono pre and cart to step up to a better table, remembering that in analog price and quality can be deceptive.

I'd take a denon 103 on an aries 3 over a shelter 7000 on a scout

I second that! On a lesser table you wouldn't be able to to tell a shelter 7000 from a 201. I believe Linn was the first brand to demonstrate the great importance of the table itself 20 or 30 years ago. According to these guys, you're looking at a 50% (table), 30% (arm) and 20% (cartridge) rule of thumb. And then you wouln't want to spend any less on your phono-pre than your cartridge. I guess you could think of the whole vinyl-rig as a transducer, not just the cartridge, and balance the cost of this with the other transducer (speakers or head-fi).
The best money I ever spent was on (Stereophile) M. Fremer's 20th Century Vinyl Setup-DVD. Those 2 hours I spent adjusting the table just made a huge difference.
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post #32 of 112
9/11/09 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Dinan View Post
Put Roger Waters' Amused to Death on a good analog rig and you might rethink your channel separation comment.
nah, I prefer putting on a Audio Precision. Sorry guys, this is just a fact, and perhaps one way to explain the ineffable combination that is headphones and analog.
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post #33 of 112
9/12/09 at 9:38am
Michell Engineering Gyrodec SE

with RB300 tonearm & Clearaudio cartridge




upgraded with Michell Engineering tecnoArm tonearm, orbe clamp and spindle, decoupling kit (installed), Lyra Dorian mc Cartridge


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post #34 of 112
9/13/09 at 3:44am
I have recently dabbled in a vinyl setup, out of curiosity apart from anything else, but I've found the results disappointing, and certainly nowhere near the quality of my fairly modest digital rig. Assuming there isn't a particular fault with my TT, I wonder how much one needs to spend to get the kind of results described in this thread? My TT is a Rega P3 with RB300 and Rega Exact cartridge. I'm rather disappointed as I was expecting great things.
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post #35 of 112
9/13/09 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by pedalhead View Post
I have recently dabbled in a vinyl setup, out of curiosity apart from anything else, but I've found the results disappointing, and certainly nowhere near the quality of my fairly modest digital rig. Assuming there isn't a particular fault with my TT, I wonder how much one needs to spend to get the kind of results described in this thread? My TT is a Rega P3 with RB300 and Rega Exact cartridge. I'm rather disappointed as I was expecting great things.
Your cartridge is the problem. Rega cartridges are wimpy, soft and can't handle difficult passages. Get a strong, detailed cartridge like an Ortofon 2M Black or a Lyra Dorian if you're feeling flush.
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post #36 of 112
9/13/09 at 4:33am
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Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
Your cartridge is the problem Rega cartridges are wimpy, soft and can't handle difficult passages. Get a strong, detailed cartridge like an Ortofon 2M Black or a Lyra Dorian if you're feeling flush.
Thanks Gazza. Are we talking small differences in sonic signature here, or major potential improvement from a cartridge upgrade? To be honest, the latter is required for this TT to match or surpass my digital setup!
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post #37 of 112
9/13/09 at 4:52am
Years ago I and many others modded our B&O radial tracking arms to take a regular cartridge In my case a moving coil. I was able to compare this with a Linn Sondek with an SME arm. The B&O was clearly better.

Alas the old B&O broke down although I still have one of their lesser, later tangential models only fitted with a B&O cartridge.

This is a playback feature that surprisingly few people have heard.

If I was still heavily into LP's I would try to locate an old Rabco arm.
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post #38 of 112
9/13/09 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by pedalhead View Post
Thanks Gazza. Are we talking small differences in sonic signature here, or major potential improvement from a cartridge upgrade? To be honest, the latter is required for this TT to match or surpass my digital setup!
A big leap; huge, in fact. However, make sure your phonostage is up to snuff. Something like an Audiolab 8000PPA would match up perfectly with the cartridges I suggested prior.
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post #39 of 112
9/13/09 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by jp11801 View Post
forgot to mention the zyx bloom great cart if you can still get one from sorasound for $450 do not pay the new retail of $1000. At 450 it is a good deal at $1000 it's overpriced <snp
i agree @$1000 it's overpriced...it's a good deal already at $450
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post #40 of 112
9/13/09 at 9:51am
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Michell Engineering Gyrodec SE
Great photography!
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post #41 of 112
9/13/09 at 11:19am
I'm another huge fan of listening to Vinyl in general, and through headphones in specific. I listen to my vinyl rig through my DV 337 and Beyer headphones very regularly, and it never disappoints!
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post #42 of 112
9/13/09 at 11:35am
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for moving coil I really like the dynavector 20x series, I have and love the dyan 17d3...snip
I agree, the 20x just has a sweet addictive sound. I have the 17d3 and love the speed and accuracy. When my 17d2 wore out, I got the d3 because there is nothing near it's price range that could compare for my taste. Great cartridge.

BTW, OP, vinyl sounds just amazing through speakers - but this is a headphone forum, so I digress
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post #43 of 112
9/13/09 at 12:16pm
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Great photography!
thank you very much sir Dinan
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post #44 of 112
9/14/09 at 9:18am
a clean record is one sure way to have enjoyable and quality listening sessions.
my vacuum machine


the VPI HW-16.5 Record Cleaning Machine wc I bought way back in the late 90's is still working up to now. 8)
even if the LP appears to be free from dirt...i sometimes use this vacuum machine to remove dust from some LPs that may have resided into the bottoms of the grooves to minimize ticks and pops...
i use cleaning solutions which contains alcohol, liquid soap and distilled water prepared by a friend of mine.
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post #45 of 112
9/14/09 at 9:25am
Yup - the 16.5 is a true miracle. The degree to which wet-vacuum cleaned records can be quiet is truly astounding.
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