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post #46 of 154
9/8/09 at 11:03pm
Now I really have to find one, did someone say that they found some that cost less than sandisk or bb?
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post #47 of 154
9/9/09 at 12:20am
I will probably have to get one of these, so cheap and one thing I like about the clip's is that they support the Ogg Vorbis format, it just sound really naturally and sweet as much as compressed files can sound, and they take less space than a flac file.
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post #48 of 154
9/9/09 at 12:39am
Have to do some ogg rips and listen up. What's the best free Ogg ripper?
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post #49 of 154
9/9/09 at 12:51am
I use DBpoweramp, I'm not sure if their free version convert to Vorbis, or at least they should have 30 days trial for free, also audacity or EAC should support it just as well.
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post #50 of 154
9/9/09 at 2:18am
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Originally Posted by nywytboy68 View Post
The clip & the iPod are 2 different class of player, so I doubt the speed is anywhere near the iPod's.
That's an absurd statement. The AMS processors that sandisk has been using are very, very fast for a device so small. They also scale way down in speed (and really, they don't need to run very fast to decode audio). If anything, the SoC in the clip+ is likely substantially faster at it's top speed than the SoC in any generation ipod nano.

The fuze and the clip have pretty much the same SoC in them, and the fuze will play 30fps 320x240 video without breaking a sweat - and unlike the ipod video, has no dedicated video decode hardware.

The truth is that the clip user interface just doesn't have scroll acceleration implemented. It's a simple feature to add - it just doesn't have it.

You could always go to the sandisk forums and request it.
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post #51 of 154
9/9/09 at 2:41am
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That's an absurd statement. The AMS processors that sandisk has been using are very, very fast for a device so small. They also scale way down in speed (and really, they don't need to run very fast to decode audio). If anything, the SoC in the clip+ is likely substantially faster at it's top speed than the SoC in any generation ipod nano.

The fuze and the clip have pretty much the same SoC in them, and the fuze will play 30fps 320x240 video without breaking a sweat - and unlike the ipod video, has no dedicated video decode hardware.

The truth is that the clip user interface just doesn't have scroll acceleration implemented. It's a simple feature to add - it just doesn't have it.

You could always go to the sandisk forums and request it.
And,..................my point is who cares???? The UI is what it is, and selecting files is slower due to the way the menu is navigated, not due to the processor's speed. That's what the question/answer was referring to, not the general speed of the SoC, or the UI itself. Video decoding on a Fuze is nice, but what's it got to do with finding "Viva La Vida" by "Coldplay" in a speedy manner. You took the entire thing and veered off in a different direction. The clip is what it is to navigate, but the iPod is easier - and that's the point.
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post #52 of 154
9/9/09 at 2:57am
I will have to get this at some point. It will be nice to finally have a tiny, memory expandable player with great sound quality. I really like my original clip, but 4GB is kinda limiting when you've got about 1TB of FLAC files to choose from.
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post #53 of 154
9/9/09 at 4:34am
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Originally Posted by tstarn06 View Post
The Clip+ (8GB) arrived today. Have yet to do a SQ comparison, but I have to admit, having a DAP this small with 24GB of data, pretty impressive. I have to figure out what to put onboard vs. the 16GB card I have already filled for use with the Fuze. But if the Clip sounds as good as the Fuze, I may have to shed the Fuze, not sure. Need to do some A/B listening. I also can load the Clip with Flac files.

Anyway, I like the new form factor, the new volume location, etc. At $69, this DAP is a winner.
As I understand it, the Clip+ and Fuze should now have identical performance and features (video excepted). Would be interested in any A/B observations to the contrary.

While it's a good deal at $69, already owning a 24gb Fuze (with a velcro'd E5 clip attached) I'm not willing to buy just for a smaller form factor alone, without any increase in capacity. With flash prices falling (and high bitrate/lossless libraries growing) we really should expect/demand more than 8gb onboard...
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post #54 of 154
9/9/09 at 8:32am
Yeah, I have the Fuze too. Just want to see which one I want to keep in the long run, since I never use the Fuze video capability. But the tiny Clip and 24GB has me mesmerized.
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post #55 of 154
9/9/09 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by nywytboy68 View Post
And,..................my point is who cares???? The UI is what it is, and selecting files is slower due to the way the menu is navigated, not due to the processor's speed. That's what the question/answer was referring to, not the general speed of the SoC, or the UI itself. Video decoding on a Fuze is nice, but what's it got to do with finding "Viva La Vida" by "Coldplay" in a speedy manner. You took the entire thing and veered off in a different direction. The clip is what it is to navigate, but the iPod is easier - and that's the point.
He said it's a "different class of player".

If by that he means that a lot more was spent on look & feel for the nano, I guess that's accurate.

There's only one reason that scrolling through long lists on the clip is slow: Because they didn't bother to add the 'go faster' switch.
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post #56 of 154
9/9/09 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by ericj View Post
He said it's a "different class of player".

If by that he means that a lot more was spent on look & feel for the nano, I guess that's accurate.

There's only one reason that scrolling through long lists on the clip is slow: Because they didn't bother to add the 'go faster' switch.
Lol, I got ya'!!!! It's still 1 of the best dap's on the market (IMO), especially for the low price it commands. I'd have killed for something like ths a few years back, and it's still relevent today. FWIW, Ithink this is 1 of the best dap's ever made. If I had to choose between this, or the Nano (for music listening only, of course), I'd choose the clip. The SQ, IMO, is that good.
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post #57 of 154
9/9/09 at 6:36pm
Ah, I want one. I can't wait. Some time ago, such a tiny player would have been out of the question, but now it has a microSDHC slot, the SQ is awesome and all interesting formats are supported, it's a must have.

I'm like pierrot85, I'd like to get it now, but being in Belgium, I'd have to wait until December (!!!) :'(

All the online stores that sell it won't ship outside US, that's a shame (the added UPS cost to Europe would be too much anyway).

Or maybe... Even though the article "can only be shipped in the US" on Amazon (black 8GB Clip+), one of the shops on Marketplace seems to accept delivery to Europe. I think it's Electronica something. Maybe I should give it a shot (it'd cost 80€ shipped... if the customs in my country don't interfere, which is risky)
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post #58 of 154
9/9/09 at 6:45pm
Yes, it is that cool. I am going to load all the Beatles stereo remixes in flac as soon as I get them done. I may not even keep the Fuze. I like it, but it's sort of become not needed. I never use an amp with it, really, even though I have an LOD and a good cable. And there is just something very appealing about a good SQ DAP this small with 24GB of storage. Almost can't explain it. And I do like the small redesign touches.
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post #59 of 154
9/9/09 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by nywytboy68 View Post
Lol, I got ya'!!!! It's still 1 of the best dap's on the market (IMO), especially for the low price it commands. I'd have killed for something like ths a few years back, and it's still relevent today. FWIW, Ithink this is 1 of the best dap's ever made. If I had to choose between this, or the Nano (for music listening only, of course), I'd choose the clip. The SQ, IMO, is that good.
It's actually literally that simple. it scrolls slow because some programmer decided that was a good speed to scroll what was, in the original clip (1gb and 2gb at the time it was conceived of, afaik) a relatively short list.

Adding acceleration to a button-based (rather than wheel based) system is as simple as adding a little code to set a threshhold where after the button has been held down for X number of seconds, the scroll speed is increased by a factor of Y. This is a standard feature in rockbox, for example.

Since you can in theory get an 8gb clip+ and stick a 16gb card in it, that's a 24gb DAP, and really ought to have scrolling acceleration.
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post #60 of 154
9/10/09 at 4:58pm
I agree about the scrolling speed. DAPs that don't have some kind of scrolling acceleration get boring when you have hundreds of folders/artists/albums.
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