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post #61 of 385
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Still breaking in the cable, but the improvements are slowing down. My impressions today confirm the way I felt last night - this upgrade improved just about everything. There is just more life, spark, detail, energy, immediacy or whatever you want to call it, in all music. Much more engaging, involving, and addictive. These were not just cold analytical, incremental improvements. Singers sound like they're sanding next to you. Bands are playing right in front of you. Orchestras are huge masses of detailed sound that you're standing in the middle of. There is one potential negative though: I am noticing more sibilance on some tracks. But maybe it's just the increased detail revealing bad compression or recordings.

One thing I did not do is extend the new wire all the way to the drivers, but cut it off just before them. I'm only a barely competent solderer, and there was some fine wire there that looked like I probably shouldn't be messing with it. My new wire seemed like it might be too big for the job anyway, and if I had gone that far, it would also be difficult to back out from a mistake. Do the headfile mods take the new cable all the way to the drivers?

I should probably issue a disclaimer here: you should be reasonably careful and competent with a soldering iron and know what you're doing, or you could really screw up your nice headphones. In a "whew" moment, I almost let a drop of hot solder hit the driver material. Not cool. By letting someone else competent do the job, you know you're getting it done right. You're also saving yourself quite a bit of work and aggravation, and considering that, it's probably not all that expensive.

It might be nice to get a hold of some woody cups also. Either that, or paint my ugly gray cups black, like the CD1000.

leeperry: I just used a guy on ebay for the wire. I don't think the wire is anything special, just standard bulk silver-plated wire for high end audio. I don't how many 9's purity it is, but I don't know if that's too important for silver-plated wire anyway. It seems to have somewhere around 20 strands - thicker than the stock cable, but that's to be expected with plated wire:

Teflon / Silver Audio Wire Tube Amp High Capacity 22 GA - eBay (item 140308888874 end time Sep-15-09 13:43:57 PDT)
post #62 of 385
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Originally Posted by ford2 View Post
Nothing to stop you trying whatever you want,there are people who LOVE the sound and are not interested in trying every other closed back phone on the market.

The name of this thread is Sony CD3000 Appreciation Thread.
Agreed. And imo, the W5000 are garbage compared to the CD3000.
post #63 of 385
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leeperry: I just used a guy on ebay for the wire. I don't think the wire is anything special, just standard bulk silver-plated wire for high end audio. I don't how many 9's purity it is, but I don't know if that's too important for silver-plated wire anyway. It seems to have somewhere around 20 strands - thicker than the stock cable, but that's to be expected with plated wire:

Teflon / Silver Audio Wire Tube Amp High Capacity 22 GA - eBay (item 140308888874 end time Sep-15-09 13:43:57 PDT)
ok, thanks for the link...I'll look into it

so you quad litz-braided it, furutech plug, dual ended?

yeah, murphy's law almost made me kill a DT770/Pro driver in the past....I'd rather not fry my cd1k
post #64 of 385
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Do the headfile mods take the new cable all the way to the drivers?
Yes they do, dual entry all the way to the drivers.
post #65 of 385
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so you quad litz-braided it, furutech plug, dual ended?
Hah! Not quite. I'm on a budget. Three wires, no braids (reduces the length), and a $6 neutrik plug. Isn't the Furutech $10 more? Couldn't justify it for an experiment. Maybe I'll I try those things in the future, but right now I'm very happy with the sound. I need to first become more familiar with the new sonic platform, so I can baseline further improvements against it.
post #66 of 385
yeah furutech is cryo-blablabla...I've got one plug around anyway...maybe I'll fancy switching the cd1k plug at some point

no braid is theoritically very very bad(crosstalk, EMI, yada yada)...you've basically built yourself a portable antenna

after further testing, taking off the big stock foam from my cd1k and replacing it w/ half-thinner foam improved the low end bass response tightness a great deal, and also improved the soundstage....but the stock foam was muffling the nasty 10/12Khz frequencies that like to resonate like mad in my ear drums

anyway, this great tutorial saved my life once again: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/how...torial-413900/

now I got great bass slap, wider SS, very natural mids and more refined/less harsh trebles...

PS: g*ddamn, the Revolver soundtrack sounds too good to be true! just like the TrueHD track on the BD o/
post #67 of 385
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OK, so I'll twist the wire in the sheath a bit

Even a $20 furutech plug is not going to help you much with mp3 players, if you can't find a quality 3.5mm adapter (wish I could). If you're using a radioshack adapter, it will degrade your sound. In that case, the direct $1 neutrik 3.5mm with no adapter is probably a better solution, although hard for the novice (such as me) to wire due to it's small size. In fact, I can't hear any difference between the $1 neutrik 3.5mm with a good 1/4" adapter and the $6 neutrick 1/4" plug.
post #68 of 385
well, there's a very specific way to quad-litz...and it's freaking annoying, I won't do it ever again

I went 10ft, and half way my brain was turning to mush

damn, I'm constantly stunned by my foam mod...the Kill Bill2 OST never sounded this good either

my cd1k drivers are still fine 15 years later...I wonder if they'll go another 15 years again? or should I grab a cd3k now and keep it in a controlled room as a spare?

I've heard of cd3k's gettin crummy in the low end..
post #69 of 385
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Originally Posted by warubozu View Post
Yes they do, dual entry all the way to the drivers.
Thanks - yeah, I'll probably end up doing that as well. As soon as I can muster up the courage.
post #70 of 385
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Originally Posted by sunneebear View Post
Really? I have both Sony's and both recable. To me the SA5000 is less colored, less bright. Though being open, it has a warmer tone than the CD3000. Don't get me wrong, I still love the CD3000 but its one of those 32 ohm headphones that sounds its best with a capable amplifier. It also has that perplexing mid range. Sometimes it's to die for and sometimes it just sounds awkward.
The SA5000 is a very bright phone,it was this brightness on some recordings that paved the way for the CD3000,but as you have mentioned that midrange can be a problem.
Now the woody recabled version combines the best of both phones,I can honestly say that if you come across a pair buy them.
post #71 of 385
hehe, I think my question was valid...maybe some ppl w/ more experience using vintage headphones would have some food for thoughts?

I've heard of cd3k's getting wonky in the low end...do you think our drivers will make it for another +10 years?

I've carefully looked at mine, and they look damn good

OTOH, some ppl use DT990's from the 80's, so maybe there's no need to buy a spare at this point?
post #72 of 385
and anyone tried some genuine leather mods? I've found some super soft pleather(just as soft as the Manufaktur beyer genuine) for very cheap...but I'd rather use lamb or sumthing..
post #73 of 385
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post
the r10 uses the same enclosure as the cd3k, w/ wooden cups, genuine leather pads, dual ended cable and even better drivers..that's all, I think?

Yes i think, that why some people modded their cd3k with wooden cups,r10 drivers and recable to get something close to a r10 for cheaper.

Those angled drivers look very tempting on these headphones.
post #74 of 385
headphile Archive Pics

the fully opened cups must sound so damn wide, but the cd1k isolation is already lousy...I need closed cans.

I think properly modded cups can sound just as good as wood, maybe I'll do some further experiments later on...but so far I'm more than pleased

and that headphile guy said himself that what changes the sound is the cable...not the cups?! maybe he was lying on purpose..

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/h...headphile.html

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Larry states that sonic upgrades are more attributable to the re-cabling than the wooden enclosures
post #75 of 385
Yea, I agree the most drastic changes in the woody CD3K's comes from the recabling. The wood earcup mods may play a role in changing the cans sound but, but not to the extent of recabling.
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