Beyerdynamic to launch new top headphone at IFA -- called T1 - Page 51

No, I was referring to achristilaw saying he couldn't hear significant portions of the Yo-Yo Ma CD:

That's a pretty major lack of sound!

I didn't confuse anything. He said he couldn't hear Yo-Yo Ma breathing or moving his hand on the fingerboard. That's a pretty significant loss of detail. Whether it's specific to a particular frequency is another question.

I don't get this part. So you're saying that through the T1's, subtle sounds that were obvious through other listening devices were left out of its rendering of the Ma recording?

I would have thought it would have been just the opposite. So if the T1's are masking this part of the recording, what else might it be masking? And do you think that further burn-in will alleviate this?

OK, I see - but again, let's see where we all end up after break in.

There seems to be a trend on Head-Fi with people associating upper-treble/treble boosted/focused headphones with "fast." This boost does make details more obvious and forward, but sometimes it makes the sound grainy, dry, sterile, and whatever else is typically associated with this frequency balance.

The early report seem to state the T1 have a tamer high end compared to the HD800. So it would make sense that every detail is not thrown in your face.

Beyond this, I've found it rare (unless you are talking about $2 earbuds) for details that are presented clearly on one nice headphone to not be totally obscured on another competent headphone. Typically the details are just presented differently and it takes a bit of adjustment to recognize where they are.

Sometimes it's a question of volume. If the T1 has a heftier bottom end I suspect people will listen to it at lower volume levels than the HD800. This, of course, will hide the details since details are typically at a lower volume than the rest of the music.

I'm not trying to criticize achristilaw's experiences. I'm just posting thoughts to explain what else might be going on.

Let's not forget that I'm also a Beyer fanboi

Thanks for your early impressions Skylab. Any early comments on similarities/differences to your VXD4? That would help me out since I remember exactly how those sounded. I'm considering selling a few things and getting a T1.

Also, does anyone know the best place to buy a T1 in Canada?

odigg says:


"Typically the details are just presented differently and it takes a bit of adjustment to recognize where they are."


In my experience, this is true, always.

I'll often listen to a recording with the O2, then later with the HD650 or with the DT770, and find myself startled by things that I thought "I'd never heard before." Only it invariably turns out that I'd been listening to them all the time on the O2, it's just that they'd sounded like part of the music, not like ultimately fatiguing anomalies.

As for the JVC DX1000, I'm not sure that you can compare it to ANY other headphone. It proudly stands by itself, I guess, in a category of one. Very fun.

Thank you.

Tod at TTVJ told me this morning my T1 is delayed untill late Jan ~ early Feb

The "Bass" area will take a bit of burn and repetitive flexing to work it's way into a final character. Natures laws.....ain't mine.

We live in an instant society (most of us) and patience is a lost art. Yes, the transient detail (because of a lack of mechanical speed) was absent. Will it be next week? We will have to wait and find out.....

Or simply unable to mechanically arrive on time....yet....

OR can't follow the implied signal closely to begin with.......price and Flagship honors does not a good phone make.

Pushing Fletcher-Munson to one side it isn't totally unfathomable that burn-in wouldn't help? Of course not..transient speed is a by-product of Driver Linearity and impulse response. Because the passive outer surround mechanical limits have to physically be "pushed" to determine the piston path. The amount of resistance of pistonic motion after ultimate compliance is calculable and measurable. And the Germans ain't Lazy.... Burn baby Burn...

weak.

Indeed.

Does he breathe exceptionally fast? It should still be there.
Perhaps its an issue of Frequency Response, where the details in question are being drawn back into the mix due to a recession or spike in the HD800 relative to the beyers. Or synergy issues.
It could be anything.

I'd cancel and go with Headphonesolutions:
Beyerdynamic T1 Tesla Headphones

Tossing in my guess: frequency response deviation can make it harder to pick the details, but it doesn't gloss them over. That's usually plain ol' distortion. <--Which I'm not implying this headphone is afflicted with, there are other factors at play. Obviously detailed & smooth always beats etched.