Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Beyerdynamic to launch new top headphone at IFA -- called T1
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Beyerdynamic to launch new top headphone at IFA -- called T1 - Page 170

post #2536 of 3967
3/21/10 at 1:46am
So Beyers is going to use the T1 technology in headphones like the 250/DT48?? Interesting.. Wonder about the cost.
Reply

Gear mentioned in this thread:

Beyerdynamic Tesla T1
Sennheiser HD 800 Headphones
Powered by NexTag
post #2537 of 3967
3/21/10 at 1:55am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necrolic View Post
I think you misunderstood me. At normal listening levels for me (I listen at a reasonable volume, not loud but not quiet, just in between) I have my volume dial at about 12 o'clock (half volume). I'm saying that with many headphones, my Grado HF-2s for example, I can easily drive them with the Compass to the point where it's unbearable to listen to (about 2 o'clock with the HF-2s), whereas with the D5000 I can put it to maximum volume and not have my ears shouting in pain.

The D5000s are quite a bit less sensitive than their impedance would suggest, but I have no doubt they are a LOT more sensitive than the T1s. Like I said though, the D5000s can be driven to reasonable levels easily by the Compass, and I'm sure the T1s could as well.

But the problem is, just because something is loud does not mean it sounds good. There are plenty of $20 amps that could drive my D5000s just as loud as my Compass, but it wouldn't sound nearly as good because the power, while enough to make them loud, is not enough to get the voice coil moving properly so that they will sound their best. That is the problem I think the Compass/FUN will have with the T1.

I'm sure they'd sound decent out of it, but they wouldn't be lightyears ahead of let's say a D5000 like they would on a high end amp. If you're not willing to spend a lot on an amp/DAC, there is no point in spending a lot on headphones IMO. "A lot" is a relative term, obviously, but in the case of the T1s where you're dropping $1000 on the headphones I'd say you should spend at least $800 if not at least $1000 on the amp and DAC together to get a reasonably decent sound out of them.

Rule of thumb: Spend at least as much on amp and source combined as you do on headphones, generally it's better to spend more with high end headphones.
my amp and dac cost me 1,150. Gold point V5 and modded and balanced BC DAC 2. I read a lot of these post, and seems the HD800 is more for me. I like 'clinical' and ultra clear. Of course the extra 400 really hurts, but I can't stop thinking about the HD800. Just holding one would give me goose bumps. I have no business spending 1,400 on headphones, working at best buy.
Reply
post #2538 of 3967
3/21/10 at 2:08am
Well here's a pict of them, very nice indeed:

Beyerdynamic T1:*Seite 1*-*i-fidelity.net
Reply
post #2539 of 3967
3/21/10 at 2:24am
I listened to some yesterday at the Melbourne meet. Very nice indeed, they trump my DT880 600ohm Manufaktur (arrived 4 or 5 days ago, probably going to sell them now). They have a lot less bass quantity, but the low end is still close in terms of extension, detail is a lot better on the T1s. They sound less congested and 'muddy' I suppose. They feel VERY good in my hand, very well built and sturdy. They feel as though you could run them over and the only damage would be done is possibly the headband being bent a little Wonderful cans, yes. Am I going to buy them? Probably not. Too revealing for what I listen to (metal). I reckon I spent an hour with them playing my CDs on a fellow member's macbook going through a (DAC? I have no idea what it was ) to a SPL Auditor. Makes my metal collection sound distorted and messy

I think the $995 asking price is very nice indeed, but I do not believe they are for me
Reply
post #2540 of 3967
3/21/10 at 10:08am

T1 and metal

When you listen T1 trough small portable device with battery support then the sound reproduction is very limited and distorted. There you need more serious amp (with DAC) so then they will play much better. I frequently use for projects my Bechmark DAC PRE. I have listen several times metal tracks (see my issues) and T1 are good enough for metal too. It depend on audio chain where you connect T1.
Reply
post #2541 of 3967
3/21/10 at 12:27pm
I listened my T1 from laptop unamped, sound very close to crap.
Reply
post #2542 of 3967
3/21/10 at 1:12pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by stang View Post
They feel VERY good in my hand, very well built and sturdy. They feel as though you could run them over and the only damage would be done is possibly the headband being bent a little
It seems that they can actually be bent quite a bit without problem, not going to try on mine though
Reply
post #2543 of 3967
3/21/10 at 1:14pm
I just approved above
Reply
post #2544 of 3967
3/21/10 at 2:42pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necrolic View Post
I don't think anybody was questioning the FUN's ability to power the T1s to a loud enough level, I said that it would without a doubt get them loud enough to listen to from the beginning. What people are questioning is whether or not it is able to PROPERLY DRIVE THEM. This does not just mean make them loud, it means providing sufficient voltage swing and power output to get the voice coil of the headphones moving properly.
This makes no sense, does it?
Reply
post #2545 of 3967
3/21/10 at 3:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by xnor View Post
This makes no sense, does it?
It kinda does. But it's been said that the FUN has enough voltage swing so I'm not sure.
Reply
post #2546 of 3967
3/21/10 at 4:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by xnor View Post
This makes no sense, does it?
Why doesn't it? Being able to make a headphone loud is completely different from properly driving them. My iPod can make my D5000s loud enough, does that mean they sound anywhere near as good as they can? No.
Reply
post #2547 of 3967
3/21/10 at 4:21pm

I need another amplifier...

Quote:
Originally Posted by neptius View Post
When you listen T1 trough small portable device with battery support then the sound reproduction is very limited and distorted. There you need more serious amp (with DAC) so then they will play much better.
I have to agree. Even the LISA III does not provide the needed power. I have been listening to the LISA+T1 for some weeks and I do enjoy the sound of the T1. Its large scene, the bass, the lushness of the sound and the details. But going back to the SR325i on the LISA it becomes clear that the T1 need another dimension in order to give the right listening pleasure.
Reply
post #2548 of 3967
3/21/10 at 5:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Necrolic View Post
Why doesn't it?
Because first you say that it doesn't matter if the amp can make them loud (=> provide "high" voltage and enough current), and then you say that it has to be able to provide enough voltage.

Simple test: Feed the amp with a 0 dBFS sine and turn up the volume. Don't hear any clipping? Well then there's enough juice.


And secondly, if the voice coil doesn't move properly it's time to get a new headphone.
Reply
post #2549 of 3967
3/21/10 at 5:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by xnor View Post
Because first you say that it doesn't matter if the amp can make them loud (=> provide "high" voltage and enough current), and then you say that it has to be able to provide enough voltage.

Simple test: Feed the amp with a 0 dBFS sine and turn up the volume. Don't hear any clipping? Well then there's enough juice.
I was thinking the same and tend to agree... but apparently better power supplies can improve the dynamic behavior of an amp/headphone combo – independent of the actual power. Also, some amps provide better transient response/control, for whatever reason.


Quote:
And secondly, if the voice coil doesn't move properly it's time to get a new headphone.
The voice-coil will be the only part on a headphone which tends to move properly if there wasn't the added ballast in the form of a membrane and its mass-spring characteristic. As to the amp, it will slightly alter the input signal, so there are better or worse synergies between a given headphone and an assortment of amps (perceivable in practice).
.
Reply
post #2550 of 3967
3/21/10 at 5:58pm

info

Necrolic – D-5000 has 25 Ohms impedantion when T1 has 600 Ohms. This is very different and does different requests or needs.
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Headphones (full-size)

Gear mentioned in this thread:

Beyerdynamic Tesla T1
Sennheiser HD 800 Headphones
Powered by NexTag
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Headphones (full-size) › Beyerdynamic to launch new top headphone at IFA -- called T1